On the final day of winter testing at Jerez de la Frontera, Ferrari's Fernando Alonso was the fastest man on track despite spending quite some time in the garage due to car problems. The Spaniard was followed by Toro Rosso's Jean-Eric Vergne and Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel.
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raymondu999 wrote:=But my point is that I'm disputing they will lose the most. =
Glad we violently agreed on the other points, but this ^ I reckon is unprovable.
In relation to the others, I would say they will lose the most.
Again lets go on countback.
a)They designed the idea.
b)They designed their entire concept and car on the idea.
c)none of their rivals incorporated so many EBD friendly concepts(rake, flexing wing etc) as Red Bull.
So howcome F1s genius cannot utilise his own idea better than those that copied him who didnt optimise their own concepts for ebd?
Isnt this thread about Jerez testing, not what you thnk about who might have had best EBD last year?
I think it looks great, dont tell me that Kimmi is fastest driver this year in Lotus because he topped first testing
I am only concern about RB, if anyone know how to use rules and regulations in his favour it is Newey. That man can make a winning car from the wooden box
So you think the EBD ban will have no impact on the teams testing this year?
Notice Torro Rosso withdrawing their car due to overheated rear suspension components?
raymondu999 wrote:I'm not. They will be one of the most affected. There is no disputing that. But my point is that I'm disputing they will lose the most. There will still be a gap; and probably still fastest. It won't nearly be the margin they had of 0.8/1 second, even at the aero-heavy circuits, but I fully expect them to stay ahead.
hmmm, let me see. Last year when the engine mapping was banned for Silverstone, the biggest loosers were McLaren, weren't they? Ferrari gained most. SO, I don't know. Let's wait and see how thinks will go this year
raymondu999 wrote:I'm not. They will be one of the most affected. There is no disputing that. But my point is that I'm disputing they will lose the most. There will still be a gap; and probably still fastest. It won't nearly be the margin they had of 0.8/1 second, even at the aero-heavy circuits, but I fully expect them to stay ahead.
hmmm, let me see. Last year when the engine mapping was banned for Silverstone, the biggest loosers were McLaren, weren't they? Ferrari gained most. SO, I don't know. Let's wait and see how thinks will go this year
What vall said. A lot of people point out to Silverstone as being a bad example due to the whole discombobulation that happened, but I'm sticking to my guns on this. Especially as Paddy Lowe and Tim Goss both said recently that their car would have been nowhere without the exhaust blowing, and actually referred to Silverstone as an example.
That; and the fact that the Red Bull used cold blowing rather than hot blowing as the McLaren did.
Also I think there is a big unknown in terms of how much power the overrun mappings were robbing off the rear axle; and also how much extra fuel weight was required.
All I know is that the Red Bull is still the sleekest design of the lot. Everything about its shape and even livery just exudes a sense of speed. Visually, at least, it still looks like the fastest car.
What would a typical pre-season program be, do you all think? Obviously you would need reliability runs and checks, but how about other than that?
I would think that they would start changing aspects of setup 1 at a time to get response curves, no? Which could then be plugged in to CFD and wind tunnels (i.e. if I add 1 degree to the rear wing angle AoA; I'd get X more downforce) and the driver-out-of-loop simulators? Also a baseline balance for the driver?
Tumbarello wrote:All I know is that the Red Bull is still the sleekest design of the lot. Everything about its shape and even livery just exudes a sense of speed. Visually, at least, it still looks like the fastest car.
I think the STR looks better than the Red Bull proper.
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970
“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher
I have a feeling Mercedes is thinking right now the "Double sword effect"
As far as i know they haven't done the crash test, which means they will just incorporate what they see from other cars over the week and possibly adapt it to what they already have planned for their car?
But less track time with the new challenger could also be a pitfall to their plans for the 2012 season...
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If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari.
Perhaps they have a variety of different crash structures (read: noses) in mind, some lower a la Mclaren and W01, semi-conservative dropped noses like Red Bull, and "we need ALL the air to the splitter!" like TR. They can have those options at the ready so that, after this test, they'll send them PDQ for crash testing.
I would hope most the largest components (i.e. tub) and suspension mounts and engine work has been done so they can hit the ground running.
Honestly regardless being a Ferrari fan since being marked from birth in the name of the great Gilles Villeneuve, I really hope the silver arrows will take a WDC or at least be very competitive this year.
I miss the Mclaren Vs Ferrari days with Mika and Schumacher...
If someone said to me that you can have three wishes, my first would have been to get into racing, my second to be in Formula 1, my third to drive for Ferrari.
If both the Mclaren and the Red Bull have comparative oomph, and Hamilton is back on form, then we could have a rivalry between him and Vettel, as I'm sure Hamilton has a lot to get back from last year.
Or would you like Vettel v. Kimi for the ol' German vs. Finn flair?
