2012 Testing - Jerez 7-10 February

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Fredy4 wrote:The long stints from MS have serious pace. Much faster than anything else I can see today.

Even after 14 laps he was still in the 1:21s

I'd love to know how much the new car is slower than this old one, because if its the same or faster then it does look pretty good for Mercedes this year. Its not just one lap pace top of the time sheets stuff, its consistent laps.
With EBD still in place, you cannot compare.
I would say it(W03) will be slower. I think Mercedes are seeing where the drop off's are for the tyres. Getting to manage tyres during a stint is valuable, and pressing them as hard as you can will give you the where when and how...

Re being slower: Pat Symmonds reckons EBD loss was up to 20% total downforce. Mercedes is running EBD and no one else is. The W03 will need to find that 20% loss from somewhere.
More could have been done.
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Ferraripilot wrote:
Mr.S wrote:ROFL JET. They nailed the EBD when the could not during the full second. They are running light compared to others (atleast no reason for RBR to do a Light fuel run now).

That & EBD constitues around 1-1.5s of time. Even with a SWB Mercedes with their EBD & hot blowing gained 1 FULL Second atleast. Not as much Mclaren or RBR but even then quite a lot. I doubt if any of the 2012 cars will be able to cross last season's lap times anyway.


BTW Mercedes with EBD is only 0.6s faster than RBR. LOL. Still a long way to go



Mercedes EBD never saw 1-1.5 seconds. If you remember, when the changed from their side blown exhaust to the EBD late in the '11 season the car was just barely any quicker let alone half a second. Mercedes was in the same boat as everyone else except RB and Mclaren in that they didn't see even half the benefit the top two teams did. EBD aside, I believe testing today confirms just how powerful the EBD was for Red Bull yet not for others. If W02 is .6 quicker than RB8 at this point then I'm wondering how much quicker W03 might be considering Bell has been buried in the sand developing in Brackley for a year now lol.

Mercedes were running their engine mapping & their how blowing even with the sideways exhaust. They were more than 2s behind in Australia & most of the top teams bought tons of upgrades unlike Mercedes.

How did that gap magically shrink to 1-1.5 odd seconds when Mercedes rate of upgrade was nothing compared to the top running teams.

Every team gained atleast 1 FULL second as far as I know. Some even more than 1.5s. And more from fancy qualifying maps which were banned.

Mclaren gained more than RBR as Silverstone demonstrated. They were nowhere without EBD. Their whole octopus exhaust was going to blow the diffuser. And their U-pods & LWB was suited for that.

How did Mclaren magically gain the 1s odd in Australia. And that Seb did not have Kers in Australia which would have given them another 0.4 of a second.

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The other thing Ferrari pilot,W02 is an optimized car with 1 Full Year of Development. The team know the car in & out. Fully. They have a sweet spot. These cars have only just begun running

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The first veredict of C. Whiting, related to the different exhausts variants, is that, all are legal.
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Kovalainen has a staggering 126 Laps. I cant remember the last time someone put in so many laps with a new car on its 2nd day. The CT 01 I think can be a SOLID mid-field runner.

Nothing too flashy with the times or exceptional. But solid Average Consistent lap times. I think they will beat Williams this year & hopefully challenge Sauber & maybe Toro Rosso as well.

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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
Fredy4 wrote:The long stints from MS have serious pace. Much faster than anything else I can see today.

Even after 14 laps he was still in the 1:21s

I'd love to know how much the new car is slower than this old one, because if its the same or faster then it does look pretty good for Mercedes this year. Its not just one lap pace top of the time sheets stuff, its consistent laps.
With EBD still in place, you cannot compare.
I would say it(W03) will be slower. I think Mercedes are seeing where the drop off's are for the tyres. Getting to manage tyres during a stint is valuable, and pressing them as hard as you can will give you the where when and how...

Re being slower: Pat Symmonds reckons EBD loss was up to 20% total downforce. Mercedes is running EBD and no one else is. The W03 will need to find that 20% loss from somewhere.



JET, it was 20% conjectured for Red Bull. I highly doubt MB saw that figure for their EBD, which technically doesn't even blow the diff the same way anyway. W03 may be a bit slower, but I can't imagine much considering how bulky W02s sidepods are in their current form. They are just awful IMO.

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Ferraripilot wrote:
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:
Fredy4 wrote:The long stints from MS have serious pace. Much faster than anything else I can see today.

Even after 14 laps he was still in the 1:21s

I'd love to know how much the new car is slower than this old one, because if its the same or faster then it does look pretty good for Mercedes this year. Its not just one lap pace top of the time sheets stuff, its consistent laps.
With EBD still in place, you cannot compare.
I would say it(W03) will be slower. I think Mercedes are seeing where the drop off's are for the tyres. Getting to manage tyres during a stint is valuable, and pressing them as hard as you can will give you the where when and how...

Re being slower: Pat Symmonds reckons EBD loss was up to 20% total downforce. Mercedes is running EBD and no one else is. The W03 will need to find that 20% loss from somewhere.



JET, it was 20% conjectured for Red Bull. I highly doubt MB saw that figure for their EBD, which technically doesn't even blow the diff the same way anyway. W03 may be a bit slower, but I can't imagine much considering how bulky W02s sidepods are in their current form. They are just awful IMO.
+1 The W02 basically has a higher CofG, bulky sidepods and more importantly they didn't actually build the car around the exhaust like RB thus they may lose something like 10% i think

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http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?s ... &p=5517976
Mark Webber said today that he could have done a high 1.16 with last years car (end of season spec).

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Well as a very rudimentary comparison; we could compare the W02's time in Jerez last year to the one it has this year; and apply the same difference to the RB7's fastest Jerez time
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Button 1:25.469 1:24.981 1:24.752 1:25.181 1:25.198 1:25.583 1:25.191 1:25.220 1:25.297
Ricciardo 1:25.376 1:25.005 1:25.136 1:24.978 1:27.690 1:25.171 1:25.093 1:25.311 1:25.364 1:25.179 1:25.018 1:25.432 1:25.092 1:25.301 1:25.869 1:25.661 1:26.016 1:25.838 1:26.218 1:25.862 1:26.347
Think both were on hards as no tires wear
Kovaleinen 1:26.393 1:27.083 1:26.551 1:25.999 1:25.921 1:25.896 1:26.077 1:30.992

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Kovalainen was damn Good in his lonh runs. CT 01 is the DARK Horse amongst the mid-field battle,could definitely notch up a few points here & there. 139 laps & had good pace on them.

The real Trend-setter or surprise for me was Torro Rosso. 21 laps on the hard & very good times for a new car with very little car. Torro ROsso had consistent 1-21's & 1-20's.

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Mr.S wrote:I think they will beat Williams this year & hopefully challenge Sauber & maybe Toro Rosso as well.
Wow, you already know that Sauber & Toro Rosso will be better than Williams. Based on what, a crystal ball? What about rest of the field? Can you tell us that too, so we can move on to 2013?

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"I think" is usually a supposition.


As for the legality of the exhausts, is this after they were cut open from the top or as presented during the launches?
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Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?s ... &p=5517976
Mark Webber said today that he could have done a high 1.16 with last years car (end of season spec).
I call BS - the end of season RB was not 2 seconds faster than an end of season Merc.