Maldonado sponsorship for Williams

[Hail22]

if true


I am betting its fake very clever but that sum is outrageous, I bet every single team would take Pastor in heartbeat next season with that kind of sponsorship, Red Bull would be first one.

Red Bull has the backing of a multi Billionaire who sells not only energy drinks but caffenated products, juices and beverages.

That would be church change to them.

[bosanac1]

if true


I am betting its fake very clever but that sum is outrageous, I bet every single team would take Pastor in heartbeat next season with that kind of sponsorship, Red Bull would be first one.

Red Bull has the backing of a multi Billionaire who sells not only energy drinks but caffenated products, juices and beverages.

That would be church change to them.

Meanwhile Webber is second fiddle to Vettel, Pastor's "pocket change" could do more or less same job as Webber while putting money back in Red Bull's pockets.

[Echo]

Sadly F1 will not be the sport with the most talent. Already in the karting classes it´s the dad with the most $$millions in the bank who usually get the best material for their son.

I mean the KF classes are outragous. For example in the KF3 class for 13 year old a gokart can cost over £10000 and that is not including being in a team. I think if all kinds of motorsports wants to have more talent we have to start from the beginning.
We have to limit costs and race more and spend less to win

haters gonna hate but true story

[Richard]

bosanac1 - So if Maldanardo "could do more or less same job as Webber" then you think he can take the car to 3rd for 2 seasons in a row?

Your comment also infers that you think Maldonardo is more talented than Alguersuari and Buemi - they were both deemed to not be good enough to replace Webber.

[raymondu999]

No, but his money might make for an even quicker car. If PStor can score enough to help Win the wcc by one point, I'd think thats a heck of an roi.

[xpensive]

While US$46M isn't exactly pocket change, it's not all that much for F1 as a whole or for Venezuela. But, the political cost could be considerable for Chavez as he seeks reelection, because it's not easy to justify making kind of expenditure in the midst of a poor economy, especially when it's paying for a luxury while many, many Venezuelans are hurting.

I agree, 46 MUSD for a well-connected wannabee to try his luck is pocketchange for a rich country such as Venezuela.

Luckily enough, I belong to the generation remembering Frank Williams letting go of an almost certain 1982 WDC,
Carlos Retutemann, over the Argentinian - Falkland politics, those were the days.

[kalinka]

Anyone checked those account and other numbers? Just for sure, are they real ?

[manchild]

I agree, 46 MUSD for a well-connected wannabee to try his luck is pocketchange for a rich country such as Venezuela.

Luckily enough, I belong to the generation remembering Frank Williams letting go of an almost certain 1982 WDC,
Carlos Retutemann, over the Argentinian - Falkland politics, those were the days.

Are you sure that it was his decision, or just the "offer" from MT he couldn't refuse? That was the state of war, without space for free will business decisions.

I really don't get this Chavez obsession. He is no good, I mentioned that already, just like most politicians from other nations involved in F1. I'm not defending him, just saying is that if you're going to point out such injustices, than to avoid hypocrite label, be fair and mention all countries and their presidents, prime ministers or monarchs who are doing identical thing as Chavez. There's only a dozen teams in F1, it wouldn't take too much time.

To make it clear, I'm not writing this as personal provocation, I just think that if we're going to talk about money taken from citizens without their consent, to be "invested" in F1 and likely skimmed by those are taking it, than name all of those who are doing it.

[bhall]

Respectfully, I have no idea how any of that applies to the discussion. What am I missing?

[munudeges]

Why in heavens for, this document is unique and precious, for the first time we can see in black and white what kind of sport F1 has become, 29.4 MGBP, that's more than 2 MUSD per race, is this for real, how did FW end up like this?

Pig headed stupidity and an inability to look facts in the face. It really stems from a steady decline from playing silly buggers with drivers, Mansell, Hill and the disaster that was Zanardi for example, and a failure to recognise engineering talent (namely Adrian Newey) and allowing him to get on with it and letting the team move on. They should have just sold it to BMW and let them run it into the ground, but no, they were too anal to do that. It's small wonder that Raikkonen and his advisers ran for the hills, even if it was to the Lotus house of cards.

I love how the reference and VAT number is blanked out but the account numbers and international codes are still visible. Maybe Williams are soliciting donations through this?

It all looks very sad and pathetic, doesn't it?

[bosanac1]

bosanac1 - So if Maldanardo "could do more or less same job as Webber" then you think he can take the car to 3rd for 2 seasons in a row?

Your comment also infers that you think Maldonardo is more talented than Alguersuari and Buemi - they were both deemed to not be good enough to replace Webber.

We will never know if he could repeat Webber's result. Also my comment was lame jab attempt at bigger teams that clearly have preference driver (Vettel, Alonso etc), and what team wouldn't want free money.
And btw this isn't attack on Webber driving ability its more disbelief at type of money someone offer to buy F1 seat.

[Giblet]

Keep in mind that team loves Webber, and Webber loves the team. They all get along quite well, and enjoy working together. It is a two way relationship that both parties enjoy.

[manchild]

Respectfully, I have no idea how any of that applies to the discussion. What am I missing?

Well, it is not the first time in topics about Williams that people mention it. Like "Chavez is bad, money is dirty and therefore Williams is a dirty team". That is why I suggested that if those things should be cleared out, than let them point out all politicians who are spending citizens money on F1, and all F1 teams who accept such sponsorships. F1 teams are not "One whore and eleven virgins" band as some suggest, or fail to see that by pointing out only isolated cases, they blow the wind in the sails of those who are doing identical things, and whose enemy outside of the sport Chavez is.

[FW17]

I am quiet sure that the $47 million is right as this was indicated at least twice by joe saward.

Once indicated a sum over 20 million pounds when PM was first rumored in 2010 Brazilian GP

And last year when the Venezuela minister called for an investigation, he had indicated a sum of over $220 million for its full period (could be 5)

Respectfully, I have no idea how any of that applies to the discussion. What am I missing?

Well, it is not the first time in topics about Williams that people mention it. Like "Chavez is bad, money is dirty and therefore Williams is a dirty team". That is why I suggested that if those things should be cleared out, than let them point out all politicians who are spending citizens money on F1, and all F1 teams who accept such sponsorships. F1 teams are not "One whore and eleven virgins" band as some suggest, or fail to see that by pointing out only isolated cases, it blows the wind in the sails of those who are doing identical things, and whose enemy outside of the sport Chavez is.

If Chavez's money is dirty, so is all the Arab money in Ferrari, Mclaren and Mercedes

[FW17]