Why Monaco and not Nordschleife?

[CHT]

Not that I dont agree CHT, but heres some easy solutions

Why would it take so long? Do you mean the actual times between sectors? As this can be improved by having a 6 sector race.

That will mean to come out with a new live timing board, and apps just for this race alone?

Not really an issue when its the front ten guys that score points and that garner 98% of the interest in F1.

I would imagine at some point, some drivers will feel like they are the only car on the circuit..

Its not really about the pace of the saftey car around the lap, more its to do with how quickly the Marshalls can clear the track for racing.
7mins would be ample time in my view, and that is one lap. If it runs over that, the safety car can come in at the next timed sector, problem solved.

I am not sure how it work, isnt the FIA inspector to one who will have to give the green light to resume after the marshalls are finish with their cleaning or clearing of debris?

Hmmm not really sure this is a problem as such. Yes its a pain in the ass for drivers, but 25 mins back to pits instead of 10 is no deal breaker.

that track is about 20km long. From the look of it, the track doesnt really have a separate emergency road that runs around the track. If it is at its mid point of 10km, how can the driver going to make it back in 25mins?

Nope, just extend the break by 5 mins to 10 mins. Teams will run qualy as normal and find solutions to deal with the track...ie 2 lap run or 1 flying lap.

An out lap will be probably take about 7 to 8 mins because you dont really want to wear off your tires before the flying lap, and assuming your have a chance to complete 1 flying lap (6mins) and 1 in lap 7 to 8 mins, all in all it will take 20mins for 1 car to do 1 flying lap. And what if you encounter traffic on this circuit?

So for audience, all you could watch in during qualifying is for your favorite driver to do 3 flying lap at most and the qualifying session will last for 1h 30mins.

[Mandrake]

Hmmm not really sure this is a problem as such. Yes its a pain in the ass for drivers, but 25 mins back to pits instead of 10 is no deal breaker.

that track is about 20km long. From the look of it, the track doesnt really have a separate emergency road that runs around the track. If it is at its mid point of 10km, how can the driver going to make it back in 25mins?

There is no special road, but the normal streets are most of the times pretty close to the circuit so that the drivers can be brought back via normal roads. The only issue then would be that they are not "protected" from the spectators etc. They'd be driven via normal roads where everybody else goes. but getting back in 25 mins is not impossible

[Websta]

Rain would be interesting - if people think Spa has a problem with rain falling only in certain sections of the track, the Nordschleife would have a much larger problem.

[beelsebob]

In 1970's nordschleife was boycotted by racers for the lack of safety at the circuit which is understandable considering the scale of nordschleife. The run-offs were as limited as Monaco, however drivers had no problems with one while had a huge issue with the other. 1970's F1 circuit management was not in the same level seen today with a medical crew and track crew getting to a crash within seconds to assist the driver. Cars have come leaps and bounds since the plywood days.

With cars and circuit management at a level as it is now where track run-offs need not be prioritized, can f1 cars return to racing at circuits once abandoned for safety reasons?

When street circuits such as Singapore are being sanctioned why cannot Nordschleife, Mount Panorama, Imola etc. ?

Because the issue at the Nordschliefe is different to the issue at Monaco – at Monaco, if someone has a crash, they can be got to quickly. At the Nordschliefe, they might be waiting for 15 minutes before the safety car picks everyone up, and an ambulance gets to them

[lee303]

it would be amazing, i think people forget they already hold races there, including a 24 hour, so they have the infrastructure in place, marshals etc, pits and paddock in the current GP track, but the health and safety bods would have a field day with the track, and as a avid ‘ring fan who goes every year, i’m not for sanitising the place just so i can see a F1 race on it once a year....DTM going back there however, should be a given!

[Florio]

What about a qualifying aspect as well? Each session is 20 minutes, yet it takes 7 minutes roughly for cars that are going flat out to do a lap. Well what about the installation laps or the build up laps before a flying lap? It's not really ideal, some may say it's positive in that you get only get one lap, but I think you'll find the length of the track may actually hinder how qualifying runs, barring red flag incidents!

[Pierce89]

A potential 'ring GP would bring the biggest audience ever seen.

Just this morning I counted 4 cars with 'ring stickers on the boot. These guys dont watch F1, they go track racing. Im pretty sure they would watch a 'ring GP though.

But the cost of preparing the track to make it safe for F1 would be too high sadly.

sorry for the off topic, but I didn't like that JET implied that REAL racers aren't F1 fans. Whereas,in the U.S., I've met almost every F1 buddy I have, in the paddock, working on our old beat to hell 3 series Bimmers.

[Richard]

To pick up JETs point, I thought there was a car manufacturer that slaps ring badges on their special edition cars?

[raymondu999]

Many do

[yace]

for many reasons:

- ong tracks requires a huge number of marshals, cameras and all stuff

- the main strait is too long > too fast > too dangerous

- the spectators would be bored, because the lap is too long, and they can't see the cars many times

- in quali, they need at least 30 or 45 minutes in every session to allow drivers to make 2 or 3 laps

[snoop1050]

marhsalls are volunteers and cameras arent an issue.

safety and money are all that realisticly stop it

[thearmofbarlow]

I'm certain you could find HUNDREDS of people willing to volunteer for marshall duty. I'd be one of them. Crash recovery is a legit concern, but as noted earlier it's cheap to rent the machinery compared to overall costs. You can easily station a larger number of EMT crews around the track to alleviate some safety concerns. The track itself wouldn't be a problem, any moreso than Monaco is. As mentioned before the GP track's facilities would be used, voiding those problems. Given that there's already (sometimes) a GP at the Nurburgring, sanctioning fees aren't a problem either.

The only thing stopping this is politics, really.

[Richard]

Would the track be up to modern F1 standards for crash barriers and run off zones?

[Hail22]

Monaco has proven its not fit to hold Grand Prix's in this modern era.

1. Lack of run off areas.
2. 60% of the track is steel crash barriers with minimum tyre padding/impact structure.
3. Look at Perez's accident last year, there are very few tracks that would be able to replicate that kind of impact with so much focused energy (also Kovaleinen crashed in that same place a few years back).

The only reason Monaco remains is due to its historic significance, money and lucrative media saturation.

If it was my choice I would sub between Monaco and France rather than France/Spa.

[manchild]

I'm certain you could find HUNDREDS of people willing to volunteer for marshall duty. I'd be one of them. Crash recovery is a legit concern, but as noted earlier it's cheap to rent the machinery compared to overall costs. You can easily station a larger number of EMT crews around the track to alleviate some safety concerns. The track itself wouldn't be a problem, any moreso than Monaco is. As mentioned before the GP track's facilities would be used, voiding those problems. Given that there's already (sometimes) a GP at the Nurburgring, sanctioning fees aren't a problem either.

The only thing stopping this is politics, really.

Yes, marshals are volunteers (I've been one for 10 years, not F1 though, but I was involved on some FIA and FOM international competitions too). but not just racing fans with marshaling club membership. It requires years of experience, training and exams in order to become marshal qualified for such high rank competition as F1. On top of that, marshals working on specific event are usually a group from same marshaling club, people who know each other by name, speak same language, speak official language of the country which hosts an event.

You can't bring bunch of marshals who have never worked together and just position them at the circuit. They have to be a team in every meaning of that word in order to work as safety mechanism.

Also, people tend to think that only officials with flags are marshals. All people you see working when big incident occurs are marshals of different specialties. Some are flag marshals, some are in charge for pitlane, some are firefighting specialist, some are trained to deal with crashed cars etc. Each marshal has his own precisely defined duty, rules he has to obey, procedures that have to be respected without improvisation based on one's liking... whole organization reminds on military. Same goes for medical personnel who also has to be trained for participation on FIA events.

Speaking of Nordschleife, it would take enormous number of marshals, probably hundreds of them of various specialties, too many radios wanting to communicate with race control at the same time etc. It is simply too complicated and too expensive, given number of firefighting vehicles, ambulances that would have to be used in order to fulfill FIA safety regulations. Than, there is absence of offtrack roads for those safety vehicles and bunch of other problems.

http://www.marshals.co.uk/

Monaco has proven its not fit to hold Grand Prix's in this modern era.

What is the difference between F1 race in Monaco in 1950, 1980 or 2010? I see none, apart that some people find it boring. It has it's own charm unlike most of lately build circuits, requires superb mental stamina, precision, bravery - everything that defines F1 driver.

If all the circuits would become Tilkedroms, than it would make more sense to hold whole season of 20 races on just one of his "masterpieces", and save a lot of money on traveling to clones around the world, with identical sterile, unnatural corners and empty stands.