I pretty much agree, it's not the posts but posters, now I'm not an "expert" on aerodynamics or have any expertize in engineering so when i ask a "stupid" question it's in hope that someone will explain it or redirect me to a thread that covers that question. I really don't need a putdown because I'm not fluent in these subjects i just need a simple answer. Now ask me about EMS and track safety , i have at least some experience in that subjectwesley123 wrote:Agreed, before this 'overzealous' moderating came into place, what was the problem actually? I cannot remember anyone complaining in any form stating that he disliked derailing topics sometimes. I never seen any forum having a problem with derailing. For example exhaust blowing, the RB8 topic derailed into that. So to clean things up you dump it to a dedicated topic to that subject, in the F2012 topic, the same thing happened, and again it is moved to the Exhaust blowing topic. Then it is done in other topics too. So now it seems you have just cleaned the topics, but you dumped everything into one topic, making the whole great discussion people were having into one big mess. No one has any idea anymore what is actually discussed, and because of that there cfomes fights.bhallg2k wrote:Yes, this is a technical forum, and, by and large, comments should be focused on that aspect of F1. However, I feel the recent spate of entirely overzealous and inconsistent moderation is far worse than the vast majority of the superfluous posts that people, for whatever reason, seem to find so offensive.
In first place you think you cleaned the topics, but what you have done is similair compared to cleaning your room. You start wiping the floor, but move all the mess to under your bed. You arent getting rid of the 'mess', no you're moving the 'problem'.
Threads are always derailed at some point and people always will come back to the original subject, just a slight derail.Threads, like all discussions, work best when they're left to be conversational. Otherwise, this is all just dictation. Frankly, I don't know why that's not respected here on a forum that, above all else, seeks to decode a world where freedom of thought and creativity are considered priceless.
Agreed, this is a place where I come after work just to relax, see what people have discussed and found, but to see what was a single discussion I have to check out 5 different topics and put my own story together. We all know that isnt going to work. Apart from that I have to read through stupidity, ignorance and fights.At any rate, this isn't my forum; I don't make the rules. Hell, I might even be the lone member of the minority for whom any of this is even an issue. But, I do think my time here has come to a close. I'm far, far, far, far, far from the most technically-minded person around, so please don't think that this is some sort of attempt at a punitive action on my part; it's definitely not. This is all just supposed to be fun and games, and frustration is simply not fun for me. (I'd have liked high school a hell of a lot more were that not the case.)
I do not see in any way why it is even necessary to split these posts up. Can anyone explain that tgo me?
I might sound like a complete a$$hole by saying this but the only problem we have here on this forum is the ignorant, annoying douchebags who think they know everything, think they are always right and then ask the most stupidest questions. The same guys who post everywhere, in every topic, apart from this one. And I think everyone in this topic know who I am talking about, hell even the mods know it.
But what is done about it? Nothing at all, it is okay to piss people off, create fights etc. But dont you dare to go off topic. Like said before, the mods here attack the posts, not the posters. And that is just wrong.
There is nothing wrong with a healthy discussion, nothing wrong with a derail, and I have yet to see anyone who disagrees with me. But the mods seem to think making sure every post is conform the forum rules is more important than moderating the same guys over and over again who are pissing everyone off, the same guys who cannot have a healthy discussion in any way, the ones who make any discussion on the forum impossible, oh and if there is a discussion going on they are able to destroy the whole discussion in one post. But hey, that is okay as long as you dont go off topic.
If you ask me the moderating team needs to 'fix' the posters, not the posts(hell start with mine if you want to)
P.S. For bonus points PM me the names of the guys you think I was talking about
The only way I see that happening is by a package deal with Newey or by Newey exiting the scene.xpensive wrote:I long for the day when Ferrari hires another german driver.
One of the perks with being a citizen of a nowadays marginalized country within motorsport, is that you can easily takeWhiteBlue wrote: ...
Once in a while we would even agree on something like the probable nature of the PURE investors although mainly each one would continue to ride his own hobby horse like the ineptitude of each and every American F1 scheme.
That would be better than running around with scissors cutting everything up.The alternative would be to ask that future posts continue the conversation in the new thread, and only move posts after that request is made?
To be honest I find it more easy to find information within a topic than to search a topic itself.Tomba wrote:Secondly, there's people who got bunked in the past by mods, including myself, for off-topic or provocative posts. Neither of you are happy with more moderating, but all of you have to admit that it is impossible to still find anything in a thread that is 150 pages long, even before we start with the real racing.
And I have no problem in doing so with a 150 page long topic, the only people who have a problem with doing that are the type of guys I described in my previous post.Fourth, and not for the first time, the technical topics are supposed to be technical and helpful for people who a month later need to look something up.
No they're not and if you think that is the case it is mostly because whole stories get cut up and nobody understanding the discussion anymoreThe car threads as they are now are completely useless in that respect
And a lot seem to disagreeand splitting them into what seems highly discussed topics appears like good practice to me.
It is not as you cannot anticipate anything.Unfortunately, moderating action is always too late
Of course, unless they're robotsso there will unfortunately be some messing up.
We disagree with how it is done now.We are of course open to any suggestions and alternatives, but disagreeing with what we did 6 months ago, and disagreeing with how it is done this year is not going to help anybody.
So you look at the postcount and say; 'god we need another mod', or you look at the pages of a topic and think the same thing? Postcount and the amount of pages say absolutely nothing about the information in a topic at all.As mentioned tirelessly as well, the mods are here to help, and seeing what kind of nasty posts I have had to moderate myself today only makes me think we're not strict enough. In fact, seeing that there are more reported posts now than 12 months ago is another signal which we understand as 'more intervention is needed'.
TombaThe rules are quite simple, bullying, personal comments, trolling and off-topic ranting is forbidden
This over moderation is going to drive people away.Alright, so look, I just got busted for saying "posterior" (such a filthy word! ) by Mr Mod-Dude above who just told you to stop this topic (much less say "o shi.." ). So, careful now, boys, lest ye get busted too
Such language! As chairman of the Prevention of Egregious Naughty Inferences Society, I applaud this move.Alright, so look, I just got busted for saying "posterior" (such a filthy word! ) by Mr Mod-Dude above who just told you to stop this topic (much less say "o shi.." ). So, careful now, boys, lest ye get busted too
strad, Pup, interesting that you remove who that quote is from, but fortunately I know Since I am Mr Mod-Dude in this case, just a minor clarification.Pup wrote:Such language! As chairman of the Prevention of Egregious Naughty Inferences Society, I applaud this move.Alright, so look, I just got busted for saying "posterior" (such a filthy word! ) by Mr Mod-Dude above who just told you to stop this topic (much less say "o shi.." ). So, careful now, boys, lest ye get busted too