Mercedes thinks Red Bull is using illegal engine trick

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Source:

http://www.bild.de/sport/motorsport/mic ... .bild.html

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11203214260 ... z1pl9ttMxJ

If someone could translate i would be happy...


Raw translation from Bild:

The latest action: Michael Schumacher (43) and his Mercedes racing team have listened to the engine of world champion Sebastian Vettel (24) before the second race of the season on Sunday in Malaysia in passing!
When the engine espionage Schumi's engineers have noticed: The Renault engine (760 hp) from Vettel will sound different than allowed! Therefore, Mercedes (780 HP) officially complained the car world governing body FIA and wants to clarify the rules.
Schumi's eavesdropping on Vettel! Red Bull has an illegal motor-trick?
What exactly should agree not to Vettel's engine, Mercedes is not betrayed. IMAGE knows are said to turn off individual cylinders.
Norbert Haug says Mercedes boss: "There is no official protest from us. . But there are some questions that we have to Fia "Red Bull boss Helmut Marko said to Bild:" Since you will not find anything. We comply with the rules. "
How are the eavesdropping?
The racing teams had to get TV footage of the on-board cameras in order to hear the engine sound. They stand the competition but also to themselves with microphones in passing.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Would this go some way to explain the "overrun" sound of the Red Bull?

[Pierce89]

Brawn has had ALOT to say lately.

[Pup]

Well, as a veteran fan of the McLaren Ferrari wars, I can attest that if Brawn has something to say, he can usually back it up.

[lebesset]

Would this go some way to explain the "overrun" sound of the Red Bull?

although nobody else has commented , I have noted in more than one thread starting pre-season that , judging by the engine note , there is something that the renault engine teams seem able to do to give an advantage

glad that someone else has noticed this !

[Pierce89]

Well, as a veteran fan of the McLaren Ferrari wars, I can attest that if Brawn has something to say, he can usually back it up.

This was once true indeed. Nowadays, though, it seems more like he enjoys hearing his own voice.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

although nobody else has commented , I have noted in more than one thread starting pre-season that , judging by the engine note , there is something that the renault engine teams seem able to do to give an advantage

glad that someone else has noticed this !

It was discussed on the testing threads I think

But there is definately something going on when the cars coming off the throttle. Mercedes seems to think that Renault are shutting down cylinders. This could be the case as Mercedes have all sorts of measuring and recording devices.

Something tells me Lotus and Red Bull should just have shut up about Mercedes novel Fduct idea. They opened fire in first salvo's of this, and it could cost them if what Mercedes suspects to be true.

Gotta love Markko butting in stating they comply fully. Its almost automated with that clown.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Well, as a veteran fan of the McLaren Ferrari wars, I can attest that if Brawn has something to say, he can usually back it up.

This was once true indeed. Nowadays, though, it seems more like he enjoys hearing his own voice.

Who pointed fingers at Mercedes stating they werent complying with the rules and that a protest was going ahead?
Horner and his puppet Bouillier. What would you have Brawn do? Say nothing?

Doesnt work like that.

[lebesset]

although nobody else has commented , I have noted in more than one thread starting pre-season that , judging by the engine note , there is something that the renault engine teams seem able to do to give an advantage

glad that someone else has noticed this !

It was discussed on the testing threads I think

But there is definately something going on when the cars coming off the throttle. Mercedes seems to think that Renault are shutting down cylinders. This could be the case as Mercedes have all sorts of measuring and recording devices.

Something tells me Lotus and Red Bull should just have shut up about Mercedes novel Fduct idea. They opened fire in first salvo's of this, and it could cost them if what Mercedes suspects to be true.

Gotta love Markko butting in stating they comply fully. Its almost automated with that clown.

not so sure this is correct because it seems to apply to all the renault engined cars

unless you think horner is passing copies of their engine maps to the other renault engined teams
something renault have come up with is my guess

[donskar]

I wonder how accurate the translation is, because it has M-B complaining about the Renault engine AND claiming to have a 20 HP advantage? Am I missing something?

[yener]

Really interesting because Ross Brawn doesnt talks sh*t most of the time. Especially when it comes to legality and rules.

[yener]

Translation; (sorry voor the bad english)

Michael Schumacher noticed when he was listening the Redbull trough a corner that they had a different sound.
The Renault engine 760HP didnt sound like their 780HP Mercedes engine.
The trick is probably shutting down a couple of cilinders when they are of throttle while a couple cilinders keep working.

Norbert Haug said: We are not officialy protesting because the car will come out legaly since there is no way to see it from the outside.
But we are talking with the FIA to see if its legal and we will discuss one and another.

[yener]

Would this go some way to explain the "overrun" sound of the Red Bull?

Yes..

[Pup]

Michael Schumacher noticed when he was listening the Redbull trough a corner that they had a different sound.

There's some irony there, no?

[yener]

Michael Schumacher noticed when he was listening the Redbull trough a corner that they had a different sound.

There's some irony there, no?

He means that the engine didnt sound like it should. Off course engines always sound a bit different. But he means it doesnt sound like all the other teams which sounds is similair to MGP.