Kubica + Ferrari F10 + V6 turbo 2014

[aleks_ader]

Articles:

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/14824/ ... -la-strada

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/746 ... -comeback-


http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12474/7465638/

Is that legal

The story in Omnicorse claimed that the Pole, who has been sidelined for almost a year after suffering severe injuries in a rally accident, will run in an F10 chassis fitted with the 1.6-litre V6 turbo engine the Scuderia plan to introduce in 2014 in line with new regulations.

i going deap in FIA rules and made extract...

iv) If a team declares that one of its current race drivers is to be substituted by a driver who has not participated in an F1 race in the two previous calendar years, one day of track testing will be permitted between the start of the week preceding second Event and the last Event of the Championship. The following must be observed :


- Any such day may only be carried out by the new driver and may not take place on a circuit hosting a race in the current Championship year.
aleksandergreat, 15:09, 30.01. 2012

- Any such day may only take place within a period 14 days prior to the substitution and 14 days after the substitution has taken place.


- If a team, having declared the driver's substitution and performed the test, does not then enter an Event with the new driver, the team will be penalised by a reduction of one day from the pre-season track testing days available in the following year.

22.2 Track testing may only be carried out using cars which have been subjected to, and fulfilled the requirements of, the tests described in Articles 16.2]6, 17.2]3 and 18.2]9 of the F1 Technical Regulations.

OK!

But... sporting rules Track and wind tunel testing 22/22.1

Track testing shall be considered any track running time not part of an Event undertaken by a
competitor entered in the Championship

OK!

, using cars which conform substantially with the
current Formula One Technical Regulations in addition to those from the previous or
subsequent year, with the exception of promotional events carried out using tyres provided
specifically for this purpose by the appointed supplier.

[CMSMJ1]

Wishful thinking...

[snorri788]

Wishful thinking indeed. However I wouldn't be surprised if Kubica is signed at Ferrari for 2013/14.

[aleks_ader]

I just wondering ti know if Kubica can legel make test in Ferrari F10 with V6 turbo engine?

[beelsebob]

I just wondering ti know if Kubica can legel make test in Ferrari F10 with V6 turbo engine?

Sure – it's 2 years old, it's from an era when the rules were significantly different, and the engine is for 2 years in the future, and significantly different, so there's nothing to stop them doing it. I'd be very surprised if most of the high end teams weren't doing thousands and thousands of miles on such cars already, just to know exactly how such engines work, when they'll fail, how hard they can push them and how, etc.

[Federico]

As I stated in the other Kubica thread I don't belive this is true, I think is pure speculation from the editor of Omnicorse. Anyway I hope this is true, I'll be very happy to see Kubica in a ferrari

[mx_tifoso]

Wishful thinking...

of the most extreme kind.

[Forza]

I just wondering ti know if Kubica can legel make test in Ferrari F10 with V6 turbo engine?

Sure – it's 2 years old, it's from an era when the rules were significantly different, and the engine is for 2 years in the future, and significantly different, so there's nothing to stop them doing it. I'd be very surprised if most of the high end teams weren't doing thousands and thousands of miles on such cars already, just to know exactly how such engines work, when they'll fail, how hard they can push them and how, etc.

I was asking myself the same question. I first searched for appendix where it says that car older than 2 years (with combination of article 22.1) can be used for such tests using tyres provided specifically for this purpose.

The second thing is that in Appendix 4 in the Sporting regulations is very strict about engine homologation but with combination of 28.1 this only counts for events(race weekends).

So as you suggested f there is no limitations in homologated parts for cars older than 2 years than the only limiting factor is that they can only use Pirelli promotional tyres.

I didn't find anything in regs about testing v6t engines in advance on older chassies so if this is legal I also expect other manufactures to do several tests with new powerplants.

[ESPImperium]

Looking at my 2010 data, if Ferrari are going tecting with a F10, id take chassis 282 as its has covered the least distance.

As for the bastardisation of cars for test beds, im afraid this will happen alot in the next 12 to 18 months, as at the tail end of 2005 there was a C24-BMW and a FW27-Cosworth chassis floating arround, and Ferrari, McLaren and Renault even had 2005 cars built with the sole reason of testing Type 056, FO108 and RS26 power plants, i also belive Honda did the same with the BAR006 as well for the RA806. Toyota brought the TF106 out in November of 2005 so they could test a 2006 car with the 2006 engine, they braved to be diffrent.

Id sugest that teams will be making, or have made 2011 chassis, for the 2014 engines so they can test the 2014 engine in 2013 and not be in contravention of the rules.

However, there may be another reason for this, Pirelli need a test car, and a 2010 car with a 2014 engine on track, and also putting a young guy in the car. 3 birds-one stone???

And as for Pirelli, they have also been told to prepair for a change in tyre rules and regs in 2014 as well, with a posible new tyre manufacturer or manufacturers as there is more than one tyre manufacturer looking at F1 entry, and they would need their rubber tested as well.

Ill say there will be as many as 6 teams testing this year, probably with 2 year old cars and 2014 engines. Lets face it, 3 of the 5 2014 engine companies have said they will have a engine on the dyno within the first few months this year. So its a logical step to get arround 18 months of track work on the engines as well.

[Giblet]

I just wondering ti know if Kubica can legel make test in Ferrari F10 with V6 turbo engine?

Sure – it's 2 years old, it's from an era when the rules were significantly different, and the engine is for 2 years in the future, and significantly different, so there's nothing to stop them doing it. I'd be very surprised if most of the high end teams weren't doing thousands and thousands of miles on such cars already, just to know exactly how such engines work, when they'll fail, how hard they can push them and how, etc.

All cars need to pass crash tests now to be tested in.

That might be a problem with an old car, and new prototype design engine.

It is not longer the same car that passed the tests previously.

[timbo]

That might be a problem with an old car, and new prototype design engine.

It is not longer the same car that passed the tests previously.

I guess for a test car you might not need to be that much cautious about being overweight, so you can just add as much cf layers as you need and get away with it.

[Cuky]

That might be a problem with an old car, and new prototype design engine.

It is not longer the same car that passed the tests previously.

I think that it would be quite legal to use those cars. They have passed crash tests (or else they wouldn't been used in 2010 season). Engine is not part of the car when it is crash tested. At least not for frontal and side impact.

[Pierce89]

I just wondering ti know if Kubica can legel make test in Ferrari F10 with V6 turbo engine?

They can run old cars with non race drivers all they want.
and yes I know it's an old thread.

[Holm86]

Dont care who or in what car. Just hope they will start testing their V6 turbos this year so we can get to know what they will sound like.

[WhiteBlue]

Ferrari can do a private test with an old car any time they want. And fitting a new engine to it will not be a problem at all. The tyres will not be a problem either. They could even fit Bridgestones if they can get them.

Such a test would not be run under F1 test rules at all. So crash testing would not be a requirement AFAIK.

I wonder who will run a 2014 engine first.