The end of domination: Is Red Bull becoming desperate?

[Pierce89]

List of just the sports teams Red Bull owns:
RB Leipzig - a football team currently playing in the German Regionalliga Nord
Red Bull New York – a soccer franchise competing in the United States' Major League Soccer
Red Bull Racing - a Formula One team based in Milton Keynes, England, World Constructor's Championship winner of 2010 and 2011, and produced the car for the 2010 and 2011 F1 World Champion Sebastian Vettel.
Scuderia Toro Rosso (Italian translation of Racing Team Red Bull) - Another Formula One team based in Faenza, Italy.
Team Red Bull, a racing team competing in the US based stock car racing competition NASCAR. The team ceased operations after the Sprint Cup Series' 2011 season.
FC Red Bull Salzburg, an Austrian football club based in Salzburg and competing in the Austrian Bundesliga
EC Red Bull Salzburg, a member of the Austrian Hockey League based in Salzburg, Austria
Red Bull Brasil - a football team currently playing in the Brazilian Campeonato Paulista Série A2 based in Campinas, Brazil

[Just_a_fan]

The thing about Red Bull is that the drink isn't even theirs. They licensed it from a chap in the Far East who, coincidentally, recently died with a $3.5billion fortune to his name. It was invented by this chap as a way to help truck drivers.

[raymondu999]

In Thailand actually. So what if they didn't create it?

[FrukostScones]

This thread was intended to be about the Red Bull F1 team and their ability to strike back (after being already quicker than McLaren in the Malaysia race, words from Helmut Marko (source AutoBildMotorsport), maybe they already did )

The Red Bull energy drink is not of interest here, nor the question whether New Coke was intentionally launched to fail.

interesting article:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 30438.html

use google/bing translator

one team questions the legality of the slot opening in the monocoque....

The first Red Bull exhaust (launch spec) was illegal because there was to much heat shielding on the wishbones...

Another source says Red Bull wanted to play the exhaust game fair, but then had to react on the McLaren pod-exhausts. So McLaren/Ferrari would be to blame for the exhaust wars (and the exhaust is only barely legal, and Brawn will maybe protest).

[Nando]

"Red Bull is just a drink company............" a cliche statement.....

Red Bull is a Formula 1 team.

No Red Bull is a drinks company, Red Bull Racing is a formula 1 team.

[raymondu999]

"Red Bull is just a drink company............" a cliche statement.....

Red Bull is a Formula 1 team.

No Red Bull is a drinks company, Red Bull Racing is a formula 1 team.

No. Red Bull is a drink, Red Bull GmbH is a drinks company. Red Bull Racing is a Formula 1 Team

Wow Frukost that story really is interesting. I'd call it plausible for now. Whathappens if it gets ruled illegal? Will that mean they have to relinquish the points from the first few races, or just change the design from that point on? I remember the 2009 ddd thing was escalated to the WMSC level

[SiLo]

This thread was intended to be about the Red Bull F1 team and their ability to strike back (after being already quicker than McLaren in the Malaysia race, words from Helmut Marko (source AutoBildMotorsport), maybe they already did )

The Red Bull energy drink is not of interest here, nor the question whether New Coke was intentionally launched to fail.

interesting article:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 30438.html

use google/bing translator

one team questions the legality of the slot opening in the monocoque....

The first Red Bull exhaust (launch spec) was illegal because there was to much heat shielding on the wishbones...

Another source says Red Bull wanted to play the exhaust game fair, but then had to react on the McLaren pod-exhausts. So McLaren/Ferrari would be to blame for the exhaust wars (and the exhaust is only barely legal, and Brawn will maybe protest).

If they were quicker then Mclaren in Malaysia, they would have beaten them. The only reason they scored more points is because Button made a mistake.

I think they have been a tad desperate in the first two races, but we can't really decide anything as of yet. I'll wait until the european races to reserve judgement.

[raymondu999]

Marko does spout a lot of rubbish at times. Red Bull were never quicker. Probably the biggest delta was in the closing stages, where Mark was maybe at best 2-3 tenths wuicker than Lewis.

[raymondu999]

It doesn't take a millionaire to see the difference between a diversified marketing strategy and a diversified product range.

[megz]

Having read this thread and many others (and they posts they contain) you'd think that 80% of the board was occupied by Chicken Little (RED BULL HAS CAR THAT IS RUBBISH - THE END OF DAYS IS HERE!, RAIKKONEN WILL BE HOPELESSLY OUTPACED BY GROSJEAN BECAUSE RG QUALIFIED IN THIRD!, FERRARI ARE GOING TO EXPLODE AND NEVER SCORE ANOTHER POINT AGAIN!, THE SKY IS FALLING etc)

In relation to this thread: No, Red Bull are not desperate. They appear to be a little confused and trying what they can to get back to having the performance advantage they enjoyed in the last two years - much like how Ferrari struggled in 2003 after dominance in 2002.

[Giblet]

People look at the world through very small lenses of time it appears.

[raymondu999]

Not exactly exclusive to f1 though.

[King Six]

Red Bull don't exist for F1, just like manufacturing teams they exist as a billboard. As soon as the success dries or (or for some, doesn't arrive at all) they'll exit the sport. The F1 team needs to impress the 'board of directors' enough or they'll be thrown into the sewer.

So saying that, this season will be a little watershed moment for the team and company. Will they turn it around? If they don't, will key personnel and the higher ups start to lose interest? If so, and the team starts slowly dropping back, that'll easily be the beginning of the end.

Then they will have a chance of turning it around with the new-ish rules for 2014. If they fail at that, then the plug will be pulled soon after.

However, maybe I'm being too fickle, if they can at least stay on the top 3 of the WCC/WDC for these years then that shouldn't be cause for the higher ups to cut the team.

[WhiteBlue]

Red Bull don't exist for F1, just like manufacturing teams they exist as a billboard. As soon as the success dries or (or for some, doesn't arrive at all) they'll exit the sport.

That is a funny idea. I bet you do not have that from Dietrich Mateschitz. And you aren't aware of the company history either. Red Bull is in F1 since they started as a local company in Austria. They have not missed a single season as sponsor and share holder of a Formula 1 team since then. IMO it is highly unlikely that they should change an approach that they have successfully run for fifteen years.

[Giblet]

True story: The first time I ever saw a Red Bull can was when it was perched on someone's car, right in camera shot. At this point you could not get it in Canada.

But the can looked really cool. I freely admit, I didn't know what it was, but I wanted to try one.

The fact that they sponsor just about every single kind of motor racing on the planet means that the owner has an interest in motorsports. Of course the company exists to make money, but nobody makes a winning F1 team out of money interests. Red Bull could have got almost the same exposure by more expert can placement, and car sponsorship. Even Ferrari with all their idiosyncrasies are there to race at the end of the day.