The end of domination: Is Red Bull becoming desperate?

[WhiteBlue]

What are you basing this on and how do you know that the exhaust system is what is making the difference?

What if McLarens exhaust system is actually "inferior", but the exhaust isn't actually the difference maker thanks to the regulation changes and the McLaren is just better elsewhere?

Does it matter what the differences are? They will play the old game of copying the best, which happens to be McLaren at the moment. And that will change the balance unless McLaren bring new developments faster than the other teams. And on that question nobody can give you an accurate prediction. This is why we will experience a nice season I hope.

[GrizzleBoy]

What are you basing this on and how do you know that the exhaust system is what is making the difference?

What if McLarens exhaust system is actually "inferior", but the exhaust isn't actually the difference maker thanks to the regulation changes and the McLaren is just better elsewhere?

Does it matter what the differences are? They will play the old game of copying the best, which happens to be McLaren at the moment. And that will change the balance unless McLaren bring new developments faster than the other teams. And on that question nobody can give you an accurate prediction. This is why we will experience a nice season I hope.

Your original words were "Red Bull need to look into why McLarens exhaust is better".

I am asking you upon what you base this statement and how do you know specifically that the exhaust must be copied in order to get closer to McLarns performance?

How do you know that Red Bulls exhaust isn't actually superior, but not a decision maker in what is giving McLarens performance so far?

You once again say that Red Bull will copy "the best" exhaust solution and assert that doing so will "balance" the playing field.

I must therefore ask you once again, what basis you assume that the exhaust solution is the reason why McLaren are performing well and how you know that it's not something else?

[raymondu999]

How is that any different to this season? Red Bull need to look into why McLaren's exhaust solution is better and copy Merc's F-duct wings. I still see no cause for desperation for a logical mind.

What are you basing this on and how do you know that the exhaust system is what is making the difference?

What if McLarens exhaust system is actually "inferior", but the exhaust isn't actually the difference maker thanks to the regulation changes and the McLaren is just better elsewhere?

WB, this was my point. With the DDD - there was a path of development that once on the car; would clearly make the car go forward. But I don't think there's such a case this year.

[WhiteBlue]

Your original words were "Red Bull need to look into why McLarens exhaust is better".

I am asking you upon what you base this statement and how do you know specifically that the exhaust must be copied in order to get closer to McLarns performance?

How do you know that Red Bulls exhaust isn't actually superior, but not a decision maker in what is giving McLarens performance so far?

You once again say that Red Bull will copy "the best" exhaust solution and assert that doing so will "balance" the playing field.

I must therefore ask you once again, what basis you assume that the exhaust solution is the reason why McLaren are performing well and how you know that it's not something else?

So what? Are you the holy inquisition, if you know what I'm talking about? It doesn't matter at all to me why McLaren seem to have the top quali speed. I've told you my guess. My guess should be as good as anyone else's. Perhaps you are kind enough to let us in on your wisdom, as long as it isn't an expansion on this desperation pipe dream.

[WhiteBlue]

WB, this was my point. With the DDD - there was a path of development that once on the car; would clearly make the car go forward. But I don't think there's such a case this year.

That still doesn't mean that McLaren will totally dominate. Red Bull have shown us in the past three years that they can run a development race against the other top teams, irrespective of the particular issues of the season. Why should that be any different this year?

[raymondu999]

No it doesn't. I don't doubt that Red Bull will be competitive over the balance of the season and will probably be in the title fight.

[WhiteBlue]

No it doesn't. I don't doubt that Red Bull will be competitive over the balance of the season and will probably be in the title fight.

I'm glad we agree on that.

[raymondu999]

I always have - but I don' think Red Bull will overtake McLaren in terms of pace through the year; maybe equal; but not overtake. McLaren is also a very strong team - and they should not be underestimated

[Maelstrom]

By the time a few races in Europe are done the situation will be clearer. For now its all speculation. Ferrari might end up with the title for all we know. Or maybe Lotus.

[raymondu999]

i don't think we'd have to wait that long. I'd give it until Mugello, Spain and Monaco. Especially if the same driver wins both Spain and Monaco - I could be wrong, but I think any driver that wins both in the same year has usually gone on to win the title (except for 2010)

[Maelstrom]

i don't think we'd have to wait that long. I'd give it until Mugello, Spain and Monaco. Especially if the same driver wins both Spain and Monaco - I could be wrong, but I think any driver that wins both in the same year has usually gone on to win the title (except for 2010)

Not to offend you or anything ... but i've heard this from many people on the forum... Just because it has happened that way in the past is hardly any way to predict the future.

For one Ferrari have started on the backfoot. They could eiter come back strongly or not.

Secondly Mercedes too have had a bad start. But they have a strong team in place and might spring out surprises. So might Lotus.

If the teams go for the Mercedes F-Duct it might change the situation more.

Lastly this is one year that we have six former world champions on the grid at once. Never happened before. And all of them might have good cars at some point of the year.

No... I think that this might go down to the last race and just because it has happened in the past might not mean te same can be applied this year.

[raymondu999]

I'm not talking of a superstitious pattern - it's very logical that it should be that way. If you're dominant in Spain you have a very good aero package. If you're good at Monaco you're the quickest driver+car package in twisty circuits too.

[Maelstrom]

I'm not talking of a superstitious pattern - it's very logical that it should be that way. If you're dominant in Spain you have a very good aero package. If you're good at Monaco you're the quickest driver+car package in twisty circuits too.

Oh I see... I apologize. That seems logical.

[GrizzleBoy]

Your original words were "Red Bull need to look into why McLarens exhaust is better".

I am asking you upon what you base this statement and how do you know specifically that the exhaust must be copied in order to get closer to McLarns performance?

How do you know that Red Bulls exhaust isn't actually superior, but not a decision maker in what is giving McLarens performance so far?

You once again say that Red Bull will copy "the best" exhaust solution and assert that doing so will "balance" the playing field.

I must therefore ask you once again, what basis you assume that the exhaust solution is the reason why McLaren are performing well and how you know that it's not something else?

So what? Are you the holy inquisition, if you know what I'm talking about? It doesn't matter at all to me why McLaren seem to have the top quali speed. I've told you my guess. My guess should be as good as anyone else's. Perhaps you are kind enough to let us in on your wisdom, as long as it isn't an expansion on this desperation pipe dream.

The problem is, that you didn't guess.

You specifically stated that:

Red Bull need to look into why McLarens exhaust is better.

That is not a guess, that is straight up saying that McLarens exhaust system is better.

I am asking you how you know it is better with such certaincy that you can make such a statement?

You specifically state that McLarens exhaust is better as a truth, then say it's just a guess when someone asks you how you know. You're literally just killing your own argument and going around in circles.

If you're going to wriggle and squirm every reply, I'd rather you'd just say "I don't actually know and I didn't mean what I said", because all you're doing is contradicting yourself.

[Pup]

Wait, is someone here expressing his opinion as if it were fact?

I'm more interested at the ease at which this "copying" strategy is to be employed. It seems so simple, yet apparently it's never been tried before. Just do what the winning team is doing - it's genius, really.