Driver styles/preferences

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the cobbler ?

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marcush. wrote:the cobbler ?
Micheal Shoemak--never mind ¬_¬

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marcush. wrote:the cobbler ?
That is the German translation of his name right? :)

I put "cobbler" in Google translate and I get this:

Schuster
Schuhmacher
Flickschuster
Cobbler
Obst mit Teig überbacken
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hehe ..I think we will see a bit of cobbling from him this year makin that slow Merc fly...

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Whoa didn't know that. But we've seen in most societies anyways that the surname has been derived from a family trade of some sort.
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raymondu999 wrote:I think it plays both ways marcush. Some drivers drive in certain ways that really are somewhat specialised for certain circuits and/or car characteristics, and there are cars/tracks that really are prima donnas in that they shirk off every driving style/line except for a few.

I remember reading somewhere a while back that for example, Keke Rosberg vs Alain Prost. Prost is quite a smooth driver, and trail brakes a lot up to the apex. Keke was a bit more exciting, sliding the rear into corners etc. I don't remember the specific example the article used, or why it was Keke and Alain being used in the article, but they said that Keke was quicker at times because of this. But then came the turbo era and because Prost kept the car relatively on rails (as JT would point out - the tyres would trchnically be having a bit of slip) then he could use the power to power out. While Keke couldn't because he lost so much time trying to regain traction - which Prost had used to power out.
Can you put please the entire article? Very interesting (that part).

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Mariano - I can't guarantee I'll find it, but I'll do my best. ;)

Edit: here's the paragraph pertaining to Alain versus Keke:
As ever, it all depends upon circumstance and conditions. Back in the turbo days, the oversteering Keke Rosberg could not hold a candle at McLaren to the understeering Alain Prost – and for John Barnard, the team's technical director of the time, the reason was very simple: "Alain would set the car up in a way that to any other driver would feel like it had massive understeer, but he had a way of getting the car into the corner early [with his overlapping of braking and cornering], which for a turbo was fantastic, because it meant he could get early on the power and we could give him some traction. Keke, by contrast, was last of the late brakers and really liked to turn the car very quickly. To do that you need a set-up that's a bit light on rear grip – and that just wasn't the way with these cars because it meant you didn't have the traction to use all that huge power."
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The funny think is that I've seen Schuey compared to Alain, and Schuey prefers slightly oversteering cars.

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I guess you can sort of make a broad top-level substitution of Keke's name for Schumi there
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What´s the name of the article?

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Can any of you please scan the article? For me, the words are as much as gold as the images.

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timbo wrote:The funny think is that I've seen Schuey compared to Alain, and Schuey prefers slightly oversteering cars.
Schumacher uses the same technique than Prost, but his speed (and agresivity) is like Rosberg (Sr.). That´s why he likes a little bit of oversteer.

Barrichello, Hakkinen, Verstappen and Frentzen turned very late and liked understeer, and they had a very late apex too (they turned smoothly and slowly, and braked in a straight line - they didn´t do trail braking)(from Peter Windsor in various F1 Racing)

But in a forum I read that Hakkinen liked oversteer. Who is right?

Also: - does Button follow the same trajectory than M. Schumacher?

- does Vettel drive the same (and like exactly the same set-up) than M. Schumacher?

- does Button turn earlier than Schumi?

- can you describe me Webber's style, set-up (I think is understeer) and trajectory?

Thank you,
mariano

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Can anybody please copy in this forum or scan the article "alonso, portrait of a champion" of Formula 1 Racing magazine n° 79 of september 2005?

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mariano

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Lycoming wrote:For sure Hamilton has adapted his style somewhat to suit the current range of tyres. But I don't think its reasonable to expect him to go full Button on that wheel.
He came pretty close in Canada and Spa 2010 though - very smooth wheel movements.
mariano wrote:(from Peter Windsor in various F1 Racing)
Whoever says the opposite :lol:
I'd take his "knowledge" on driving styles with a bucket of salt.
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Hamilton pretty much used Jenson's own weapons against him in Spain 2012. Shows that if oversteer drivers focus hard enough they can tame their rear sliding. Hembrey said that was the Key in Spain.
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