Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[marcush.]

I agree with that statement.
they are not safe ,not at all .This year is crucial and the decision time for budgets is looming ...so in a ways it was VERY important to bag that win but on the other side they need to deliver week after week as Mercedes is not prepared to wait much longer methinks.
If things go on they have saved themselves from the big chop in the last minute,that´s my feeling.

[xpensive]

What it would take to safeguard the team for the next season or two is another win...but for Michael Schumacher!

This really the tricky part with the manufacturers, they need to win to motivate the spending, but everybody cannot win,
why I think the situation with Renault, Honda, Toyota and BMW was doomed to begin with, let's hope Mercedes will stay.

[elf341]

xpensive raises a good point. Not everyone can win, and certainly you often see periods of domination come and go for some teams over others, e.g. Brawn (early 09), Red Bull ('11). Such domination, which I think is natural every now and then, is a severe problem if another team *needs* a win, politically.

If Mercedes have the patience to stay for the next two years I think there is a good chance at them taking a title - certainly the amalgamation of talent at AMG over the last year has been formidable!
But what about after that?

Do they have the stomach to become another "ferrari", going through the troughs as well as the peaks? I hold reservations about this. I'd love more than anything for Merc to become a solid participant like Ferrari and see them in for at least 20 years, but I do get the feeling we might see a Peugeot-Le-Mans type situation with them pulling out despite potentially winning a title.

Ironically, I think if Merc could pull out a set of results like McLaren, it might be best for them. Most people view every McLaren car that comes out as very strong, and they win races, but have won just one driver's championship in the past 10 years, and then only by a whisker!
Being a dominating winner exposes you to the winner's curse, which is very apparent in F1 via Rule/Regulation changes that are specifically designed to eliminate a particular competitive advantage a winner might have (see Active Suspension, or 2005 tyre/aero rules, or the EBD, etc.)

[marcush.]

i think the title itself is just a result-Daimler is looking more for being competitive for a title and racewins in this stage.So if they lose the title by 1 or two points this year -nobody will rise a word.
But boy i know what will happen if that win of rosberg is the sole podium they got at the end of this campaign.

[Mr.S]

Mercedes has reportedly also been working on its exhaust layout, but is not convinced about the apparently-leading McLaren solution.
"We still see a risk that heat from the exhaust gets onto the rear tyres," team boss Ross Brawn is quoted as saying.
Lotus is also in two minds.
"We are conservative at the moment with our exhaust," technical director James Allison said. "Of course, we have tested the Red Bull and McLaren solutions in the wind tunnel."

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Mugello

[Cocles]

Ironically, I think if Merc could pull out a set of results like McLaren, it might be best for them. Most people view every McLaren car that comes out as very strong, and they win races, but have won just one driver's championship in the past 10 years, and then only by a whisker!

Right. Beyond actually winning, there's immeasurable value just in how your team is perceived. Even when faltering, Ferrari remains the watermark other teams are measured by. When McLaren falters, we don't admonish them as being an "also-ran". Other teams have stepped into (Red Bull) and out of (Williams) this degree of status.

As long as Mercedes is able to achieve this status, and then maintain it, I can see them staying in the sport.

More literally speaking.... they need to win the constructors championship then remain as one of the teams always vying for it.

[xpensive]

Ironically, I think if Merc could pull out a set of results like McLaren, it might be best for them. Most people view every McLaren car that comes out as very strong, and they win races, but have won just one driver's championship in the past 10 years, and then only by a whisker!

Right. Beyond actually winning, there's immeasurable value just in how your team is perceived.
...

That might xactly be the problem for Stuttgart, how this team is perceived, f.ex, I don't think MS crying about the tyres is doing them any good image-wise, while having two German-speaking drivers doesn't make the team German, or does it?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

How does complaining about Tyres hurt Mercedes?

It hurts Ferrari and McLaren too. If anything it hurts F1 and Pirelli in much the same way a blown engine would hurt Mercedes and its team and not its tyres.

I'm waiting to hear from Bernie regards the concorde situation with Mercedes. As Stuttgart now know the team are capable of winning, how hard will they push the European legislation line? And how hard will Bernie resist?
Zetsche, who's affable nature seems to afford him good negotiating positions, seems to have a direct line of communication with Bernie.

I read that Bernie wants nothing to do with Brawn, but wants to deal direct with Stuttgart in this matter.

[xpensive]

How does complaining about Tyres hurt Mercedes?
...
I read that Bernie wants nothing to do with Brawn, but wants to deal direct with Stuttgart in this matter.

It's of course not the tyres per se, they are the same for all, but the perception of MS publicly whining about the tyres, isch...?

So MrE don't want to deal with Ross Brawn, gee, I wonder why?

[raymondu999]

JET - complaining about tyres doesn't especially hurt Merc - it's just that some people would undoubtedly interpret it as Schumacher throwing his toys out of the pram. It's not a belief I subscribe to and I believe you probably don't either, but you can't deny that some people would think of it that way

[munudeges]

Schumacher's whining about the tyres was blatantly obvious. On one level he knows the car is having trouble with the tyre situation right now, which is the same for everyone incidentally, but it smacks of him harking back to a bygone age where he had a 20 million Bridgestone budget to provide him with whatever he wanted. It didn't reflect well.

Of course Bernie is only going to deal with Stuttgart. Brawn doesn't decide anything and Haug certainly doesn't. I just wonder what political favours might be forthcoming to keep Merc in?

[Dragonfly]

This thread is not about Schumacher so I will say only this: If, for 20 years, someone hadn't understood that MS is a man who very seldom if at all opens his mouth for criticism, that someone would never understand it.

[Cocles]

Martin Brundle has also already been quoted in this thread, stating that Schumacher is not the only one complaining about tires. Brundle was specifically referring to two drivers. One a world champion. The other a race winner.

The only reason to tunnel vision on Schumacher at this point is personal bias.

Let's move on.

[marcush.]

one has to understand that Schumacher was speaking out after a frustrating race ,unusual for him but he is more outspoken these days ..maybe his decision in terms of future is already fixed ?
Brawn and rosberg and Haug =political babble -just forget it.