Spanish GP 2012 - Barcelona

[FrukostScones]

you say top speed will win the race, I say it is race speed/pace.

Lotus were strong, Williams/Mal, and Saubers were very strong.


After the race and after qualifying lap are different things apparently!

[ESPImperium]

FIA are making a point now. For too long there has been too many cars stopping out on track after a Quali or Race and being allowed to stay in the standings. Now they are putting their foot down, quite rightly. However i think that there now could be a change in Q3 rules, where they get one timed lap and one timed lap only, and if they don't do it they get put to back of the grid. And as for Pirelli, they have to keep one set of options aside per car for the teams that only gets used in Q3 if that driver makes it, if they don't the teams get that set released back to them for the race.

All Q3 drivers have to set their time on Options and start the race on them.
All Q2 drivers still have to keep the 2 compound rule, but are free to start the race on what they want.
All Q1 drivers do not have to worry about the compound rule.

All drivers must in Quali return to the pits within 300% of their fastest time as well with at least 1 kilo of the tank as well for a sample.

As for the race, drivers have 10 minutes to get into parc ferme at the end of the race.

No pits no points, and no pits no time.

On another stand point, on the F1 manager game, im €10m the richer as i got the pole time exactly now that Hamilton has been thrown out.

[JMN]

Okey, let's compare the FP3 "full tank" stint of Rosberg, with the "full tank" stints of FP2 yesterday.

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Y coord: lap time - 60 seconds
X coord: # of the lap

It has been the best stint of the weekend. Obviously, we don't know the load of fuel

For that comparison to make sense (aside from the shape of the graphs), you're gonna want to take into account the delta's to the low fuel runs, so as to atleast partially mitigating the inpact of differences in fuel load on the long runs.

[sAx]

this is ridiculously stupid for Mclaren, every race so far they always been able to find something new to screw up its drivers.

Thought Q3 Monaco last year was as novel as it could get (nee bad!). It does seem however that the brush of consistency does not favour LH at stewardship time. Maybe there is something in the, "maybe itz coz i iz..."

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Random thought... Hamilton's first lap in Q3 would have been sufficient for P6 on the grid, clearly he didn't return to the pits and give the stewards their sample of fuel then... Was this lap invalid? Clearly the answer is no, as we've seen drivers qualify based on their first run in Q3 before. How is this situation any different from a driver doing 1 Q3 run, and then deciding that that's enough, and taking the car down to the stewards then?

The penalty while totally sucks for Lewis was absolutely correct. The McLaren failed scrutineering. When you fail you get DQ'd. Someone should be demoted at McLaren. And it's very poor management & execution. Shame for Lewis.

[bidong]

Random thought... Hamilton's first lap in Q3 would have been sufficient for P6 on the grid, clearly he didn't return to the pits and give the stewards their sample of fuel then... Was this lap invalid? Clearly the answer is no, as we've seen drivers qualify based on their first run in Q3 before. How is this situation any different from a driver doing 1 Q3 run, and then deciding that that's enough, and taking the car down to the stewards then?

that's a very good point.

I wanna know what the difference between hamilton and Kobayashi is.
Kobayashi didn't return to the pits after q2 so he just starts 10th (they use q2 time). hamilton doesn't return to the pits after q3 but he is dq'd....

whats the difference...

edit: i've just realised he had a fault. my bad.

what about senna? he didnt return to the pits in Q3. if lewis crashed on his in lap. would he still be considered pole? some things to think about

[FakeAlonso]

some of the mistakes from mclaren are crazy, doesn't anyone check what they are doing? Why did know one pick this up earlier, would he not have been 6th if they aborted the run and kept his previous time?

Completely agree with you. What where they doing? Didn't they see the fuel was running out and radio HAM to abort the last lap.

This comes in a series of big mistakes from Mclaren.

[gibells]

@ ESP. I'm afraid any further change to the rules would be dreadfully unfair on those having had the punishment metered out to them.

[beelsebob]

Random thought... Hamilton's first lap in Q3 would have been sufficient for P6 on the grid, clearly he didn't return to the pits and give the stewards their sample of fuel then... Was this lap invalid? Clearly the answer is no, as we've seen drivers qualify based on their first run in Q3 before. How is this situation any different from a driver doing 1 Q3 run, and then deciding that that's enough, and taking the car down to the stewards then?

The penalty while totally sucks for Lewis was absolutely correct.

Agreed – I'm absolutely not saying hamilton should not be penalised... But... What I'm highlighting is, why is a driver who goes out, does an out, a quick, and an in lap, gets refueled for a second run; then decides "you know what, I'm not going out again" not also guilty of this infraction? I'm not questioning whether Hamilton is guilty of breaking the rules, I'm questioning whether the rule makes any sense at all.

[astracrazy]

what about senna? he didnt return to the pits in Q3. if lewis crashed on his in lap. would he still be considered pole? some things to think about

that's a better example

theres a loop hole. run low on fuel then just put it in the gravel...

theres rules for some and rules for others. What about the torro rosso not going to the weigh bridge (bahrain), nuthin

[gibells]

It's a dangerous precident they've set. Any future failure to return to Parc Furme will surely require the same level of punishment, be it qualifying or race.

[ringo]

The FIA should have put him P11 instead of back of the grid.
He did make the runs in Q1 and Q2 legally.

Whatever the case, the ruling needs to be revised. He's better off crashing the car purposely or going off into the gravel to retain pole.
IMO the cars need only cross the line to keep their time. Going to parc ferme under its own power is just a kneejerk rule from 2010.
The 1 litre sample is also retarded. Unnecessary amount.

Anyhow i wont blame the rules, Mclaren are really messing up. The team is worse than HRT organisation wise. It's almost masochistic.

[Nando]

He should be P6. His first time would have put him in P6.

Or he should have simply binned the car, apparently that´s ok....

Also why wasn´t Button penalized like this when he had to stop earlier this year?

[morefirejules08]

Just out of interest, will Hamilton now be able to pick which tyres he starts the race on?

Its funny that the FIA choose to put there foot down over this rule with Hamilton! I wonder what he outcome would have been with Vettel or Alonso?

[myurr]

I believe there is a need for the rule, but Lewis has been given the same penalty as Schumacher when he parked it on the track in Monaco and as Maldonado when he was adjudged to have deliberately driven into Hamilton in a fit of rage.

The punishment absolutely does not fit the crime. Surely a worst case should have been the deletion of the time from his infringing run, rather than complete disqualification of the driver for something that was out of his control!