Spanish GP 2012 - Barcelona

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One of the Stewards has well documented reasons to be not impartial in case of Mclaren.
Few years ago he was forced to apologise in public manner.
http://www.formula1news.net/radovan-nov ... -mercedes/

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there is something strange with MERCEDES!! both teams. AMG ruine Michael Races (3 times this year) and McLaren ruine (Button and Lewis races)

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GrizzleBoy wrote:Anyone else notice that the limiter on the McLaren sounded really weird?
I did actually, but I was listening to JB's in-lap so the maps might have been weird. It sounded very raspy and rich on the over-run.
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I rather think that After RedBull was being highly crtizised in Bahrain for doing something similar, the FIA finally decided to step up against those minimal fuel loads. Of course the McLaren Fans feel to be treated unfair, though rather stop this Nonsenses of stopping the Car on the Track Now than later. Overall legitimit decision though McLaren starting that far back on the grid is definately nothing that I am happy about...

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I really dont have any motivation to watch F1, right now. I am going to have a picnic tomorrow. Epic fail F1.!!

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I don't completely agree with the penalty Lewis got, a 5/10 place grid penalty or erasing his times from Q1 would have been a bit more fitting in my opinion.

BUT, ultimately it's McLaren's error, they obviously weren't able to prove it was accidental, it may have been, but I guess there isn't enough evidence to show it couldn't have been avoided.

McLaren really are throwing this championship away this year, very very poor team performace.

On a side note, I'm also getting increasingly frustrated with the current lottery conditions of F1 and would like to just say I agree with Schumacher about these tisuepaper Pirelli tyres. High deg is one thing, but these tyres seem so unpredicatable it looks like we might end up with over half the field winning a race this year.

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piast9 wrote:I don't remember this - how many hot laps did Hamilton do in Q3? Maybe that was one more than Mclaren expected? I can't believe that so experienced team could do so basic mistake. Again...
Or they make it on purpose? Did you noticed when driver were out for photos one of the team members call back Hamilon and quickly whispering to him? That wasn't gratulaions...
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Diesel wrote:I don't completely agree with the penalty Lewis got, a 5/10 place grid penalty or erasing his times from Q1 would have been a bit more fitting in my opinion.
"The Stewards determine that this is a breach of Article 6.6.2 of the FIA Formula One Technical Regulations and the Competitor is accordingly excluded from the results of the Qualifying Session. The Competitor is however allowed to start the race from the back of the grid."

The rules says whats the punishment.
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clipsy1H wrote:there is something strange with MERCEDES!! both teams. AMG ruine Michael Races (3 times this year) and McLaren ruine (Button and Lewis races)
Bad karma? :)
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Then perhaps the rules need reviewing.

It's a minor issue for me. I am really concened about these Pirellis. I'm beginning to suspect that Pirelli are manufacturing batches of random compounds and just labeling them 'soft', 'medium', etc. Look at the massive diferences between team mates, I can't seriously believe there are such massive differences between team mates considering how close they've been previously. Also it's now not uncommon to see a driver nowhere on a set of tyres, change to a new set of the same 'compound' only to suddenly go massively quicker and boast a 'massively different balance'.

These tyres are an absolute mess.

I don't understand why they had to make such a change this year, the tyres from previous years were fine...
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Mr.G wrote:
piast9 wrote:I don't remember this - how many hot laps did Hamilton do in Q3? Maybe that was one more than Mclaren expected? I can't believe that so experienced team could do so basic mistake. Again...
Or they make it on purpose? Did you noticed when driver were out for photos one of the team members call back Hamilon and quickly whispering to him? That wasn't gratulaions...
+1!
In addition Whitmarsh did not look too pleased when questioned post-Q3 by Gary Anderson and Ted Kravitz about the reason for Lewis stopping on track. My guess is that he knew at that stage what the scale of error suggested and was contemplating how he was going to explain it to the McLaren Group Executive Chairman.
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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
Mestrades wrote:Now it's rainning on Montmelo (I live here). I think that all the grip will disappear and tomorrow's race will be another lotery
What's the weather for tomorrow mate?

It's difficult to predict. There are exactly a 50% of probabilities of rain at 14:00. If I had to bet, I bet it will not rain, but conditions (air temperature, track temperature, wind) will be very different from today, for sure.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:Anyone else notice that the limiter on the McLaren sounded really weird?

Like it would hit the limiter, back off a little, hit again, back off a little and keep doing it till the braking zone.

Usually it's just straight noise till the end of the straight when cars hit the limiter but it was fluxuating on both McLarens.
Yes, I notice that too, it was in the final lap replay. But I don't know what it should be if a feature or bug.
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So if i got this straight.

The rule only applies to practice sessions, Qualifying is considered practice i presume.

Then why was Hamilton reprimanded and fined in Canada 2010?
If it was illegal then surely Alonso in Nurburgring 2011 should also have gotten a reprimand and a fine.

Or did they change the rule AFTER they gave Hamilton a fine and reprimand?
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4IeKN-dQgY[/youtube]

Truly timeless...