Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[sidmiester]

i feel all of ur frustation.

i think Ross Brawn being a team principal should know that this team is not a small team anymore, and he should act more strictly.i still feel ross brawn sentiments since brawn days is keeping some incompetent employers in the team for too long. actually the board, dr. zetche has been way too patient and been incredibly kind to ross, i hope as a fan that in board meeting dr. zetche would ask to take some major action towards some changes in the staff who have been in the team for too long.

i think performance wise mercedes did just ok, and i am convinced team is growing and going in right direction, with aldo and willis now in charge of development of current car and mostly maybe they are probably too busy already for next year car, but some people who have been there for way too long since early BAR days, they should be leaving because we have seen by now that people who have been there for way too long they havent been able to keep up consistent results.... not because maybe they are doing bad job but just some changes in staffs and bringing new people that bob costa and willis wants may improve team and just kinda bringing fresh people with fresh ideas.

for example last time in spain when bob bell after the race said, on how nico car was loosing downforce significantly and that they will improve and they did in monaco, when bob bell gave that assurance and the car improved immediately at monaco gp shows that they are doing great job hardwork, something which hadnt happened during last 2 years....

the team with loic bigois felt mediocre, but with willis and costa im convinced within couple of races mercedes can and will improve better, or because this car has been already worked with zero involvement of costa and willis, im convinced next year mercedes will be strong. im big fan of this team but with bigois input i felt incredibly frustated that team were so poor in aero areas for too long, and next year though i dont have to feel same way like i did for 3 years because , bob bell has been in team for what 1 year??? and costa and willis less than a yyear??? team has improved surely!!!! it isnt like mercedes of 2010, 2011.... i am seeing good improvements but we have to understand others are also doing great job and tires are playing huge role, something all teams have problems with

atm though they have too much reliability problem, thats massive, because i think mercedes strongest point is reliability for past 3 seasons, they havent had major problems and looking at results now with michael they have so many retirements.

[marcush.]

Just received a text from a chum in London:
"DO you think Aaryton would have thumped that mechanic for thinking the DRD failure was amusing?"

I replied: "He would have thumped and then given him a lecture. He sure would know how to fix a DRS thereafter."

F1 is just too soft. Heads have to start rolling. Does anyone know if Schumacher left the track before the race ended?

You bet ...Schumacher is ot just presenting himself in front of the camera as the perfect teamplayer .He will be right there in the meetings and give his input to improve the team rest assure.
His words on tv:for once one can be lucky these things always happen on my car and look how well placed Nico is in the championship....with no technical issues so far...who else on the grid would make a statement like this after being let down again...

[sidmiester]

Just received a text from a chum in London:
"DO you think Aaryton would have thumped that mechanic for thinking the DRD failure was amusing?"

I replied: "He would have thumped and then given him a lecture. He sure would know how to fix a DRS thereafter."

F1 is just too soft. Heads have to start rolling. Does anyone know if Schumacher left the track before the race ended?

You bet ...Schumacher is ot just presenting himself in front of the camera as the perfect teamplayer .He will be right there in the meetings and give his input to improve the team rest assure.
His words on tv:for once one can be lucky these things always happen on my car and look how well placed Nico is in the championship....with no technical issues so far...who else on the grid would make a statement like this after being let down again...

that was some class act by michael...

lets hope they just inspect everything properly by next race, im sure they do all the time, haha i refuse to believe they do it deliberately, in expense of costing team hefty constructor championship points lol...

[mep]

I don't know what to think about this anymore. With that amount of incidents happening we actually need to take sabotage into account. Even so I would refuse this idea and rather explain the things with pure stupidity and sloppy work but to many things happen. I don't think it is coming from the head of the team but from the lower level. Some of the nameless mechanics in the team must have absolutely no interest and ambitions towards their work, some anti Schumacher or anti German sentiments.

[zyphro]

I can see there's no talking you off that ledge. Fine.

However, I will remind you that this is inherently the same team that's been awful throughout most of its existence, save for the very early days of Tyrell and half a year (2009) when it's now obvious they simply lucked upon a great package.

Tyrell/BAR/Honda/Brawn/Mercedes AMG = mediocrity.

I think technically, in building the car (from the factory), they are fine.

However, their ability in strategies and on-track operations is clearly being exposed. This will only be solved with time...

[zyphro]

Just received a text from a chum in London:
"DO you think Aaryton would have thumped that mechanic for thinking the DRD failure was amusing?"

I replied: "He would have thumped and then given him a lecture. He sure would know how to fix a DRS thereafter."

F1 is just too soft. Heads have to start rolling. Does anyone know if Schumacher left the track before the race ended?

You bet ...Schumacher is ot just presenting himself in front of the camera as the perfect teamplayer .He will be right there in the meetings and give his input to improve the team rest assure.
His words on tv:for once one can be lucky these things always happen on my car and look how well placed Nico is in the championship....with no technical issues so far...who else on the grid would make a statement like this after being let down again...

Schumacher is super-natural, nobody else would be saying the stuff he does. Having said that, he's been a team player all along. Why would he change?

I also like how he acknowledged Nico, I wish he could do the same more often .

[zyphro]

I don't know what to think about this anymore. With that amount of incidents happening we actually need to take sabotage into account. Even so I would refuse this idea and rather explain the things with pure stupidity and sloppy work but to many things happen. I don't think it is coming from the head of the team but from the lower level. Some of the nameless mechanics in the team must have absolutely no interest and ambitions towards their work, some anti Schumacher or anti German sentiments.

Perhaps. I like to think there is no sabotage, but as you said: it is not out of the question. Anything is possible really, and we'll never know what happens behind closed doors.

[Red Schneider]

I can see there's no talking you off that ledge. Fine.

However, I will remind you that this is inherently the same team that's been awful throughout most of its existence, save for the very early days of Tyrell and half a year (2009) when it's now obvious they simply lucked upon a great package.

Tyrell/BAR/Honda/Brawn/Mercedes AMG = mediocrity.

I could say the same for a long period of Ferrari's history. We know who turned that around.

Fact is, the considerable inertia of mediocrity can be overcome.

And to whoever said Senna would have bopped his mechanic - you do realize you're criticizing unquestionably one of the greatest team builders ever, right?

When you start out in a team, you have to get the teamwork going and then you get something back.

-MS

[Ganxxta]

I don't know what to think about this anymore. With that amount of incidents happening we actually need to take sabotage into account. Even so I would refuse this idea and rather explain the things with pure stupidity and sloppy work but to many things happen. I don't think it is coming from the head of the team but from the lower level. Some of the nameless mechanics in the team must have absolutely no interest and ambitions towards their work, some anti Schumacher or anti German sentiments.

Sabotage on the DRS would be very very dangerous, you saw how Schumacher struggled to brake, cut a chicane, almost hit a Force India, imagine it would be stuck when he was right behind someone on the long straight, brake right into him or landing in the Wall of champions etc.
As far as I also have a feeling that his crew doesn't like him, this would go to far...

[jo233]

Jock Clear had been race engineer to Coulthard (McLaren Rival), Barrichello (Ferrari team-mate), Villeneuve (Williams Rival) , Herbert (benetton team-mate) and Rosberg.
These drivers Schumacher has been team-mates with or rivals with!

[Red Schneider]

If you're suggesting Clear has it in for Michael, I would put forth an alternate suggestion that he would kill for Michael to do well since, you know, he would actually like to win for once.

[bhall]

I could say the same for a long period of Ferrari's history. We know who turned that around.

Fact is, the considerable inertia of mediocrity can be overcome.

Indeed. It took Michael Schumacher v1.0 five years to get to the promised land with Ferrari in an era when innovation and testing weren't stifled left and right. I don't understand why people seem to think it's supposed to be going much more smoothly for Michael Schumacher v2.old now after not even two-and-a-half years in an era when testing and innovation are stifled left and right.

For some reason, it's led people who are otherwise probably very rational to believe that Mercedes is somehow sabotaging Schumacher.

[zyphro]

If you're suggesting Clear has it in for Michael, I would put forth an alternate suggestion that he would kill for Michael to do well since, you know, he would actually like to win for once.

I agree.

Both MS and Brawn aren't stupid, they'd know immediately if Clear wasn't doing his job properly.

[snoop1050]

ROss Brawn should be fired. The Incompetence starts with him.

i think so aswell.

to much goes wrong no other team woud stand for it

[wunderkind]

If you're suggesting Clear has it in for Michael, I would put forth an alternate suggestion that he would kill for Michael to do well since, you know, he would actually like to win for once.

I agree.

Both MS and Brawn aren't stupid, they'd know immediately if Clear wasn't doing his job properly.

Don't forget Michael qualified on pole only one race ago (he was docked 5 places for running into the back of Senna in the previous race). Jock Clear is nowhere near incompetent as some of you has suggested. He is one of the most experienced and successful race engineers in the pitlane. I think, as always, most of the variability comes down to the Pirelli tyres and Mercedes is having a hard time coping with them. It's very much a hit-and-miss affair.

As for the DRS failure, shxt happens. But I cant understand why Michael is copping ALL the DRS failures while Rosberg hasn't had any problems...............................sabotage is not the cause.