Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[marcush.]

I think in the situation it was best to leave .for him and the team.Look how angry we all were with the team and we did not drive the damn thing...
So to go away and leave with his cheerful positive message was the best he could honestly provide in that moment of shame for the team.
Without a doubt the grilling of the journos would not have ended leading perhaps to voicing things one could interpret .Highly professional.
Mind you ..let´s see when Britney reaches his patch of rotten luck ..according to Brawn no reason to think he has better chance not to get drawn into the same at this time.
Brawn has admitted Mercedes has committed to several big risks to close the gap over winter and it shows just on Michaels car at this time that they might have bitten off a little too big a chunk at once?

[zyphro]

He said nothing to Brawn.

Are you saying he left the circuit without any conversation with Brawn? What's the source for that?

considering that he left before the race
Brawn should be on the pit wall and if at all MS came to talk to Brawn it would have been televised
so i think he jut talked to one or two engineers and left immediately

I remember how he was watching all the race from the pit lane at Australia and Monaco
He must be devastated to leave the circuit so early

Nah, guess he's probably got used to it.

[mep]

Reminds me of Kimi Raikkonen when he retired leading the Monaco GP and went to the boat of his friends to have a drink.

[ForMuLaOne]

As Schumacher has more impact on the value of Mercedes´F1 activity i BET EVERYTHING, that they do not want to frustrate him out of the team. This is very short thinking. They better do provide a reliable car, as more people care about him in this car than about Rosberg. He is a huge magnet for publicity, you can read last year`s articles and it is always about him. You should realize how, especially in this crazy season, nobody cares about Rosberg`s victory. Instead we have a huge discussion about Michael not succeeding. You could even count the posts in this forum to get a clearer impression.

[Raptor22]

I agree with you Formulaone. The problem is corporate Marketers don't think that way. They would rather be telling the story of "David slaying Goliath" and he used a Mercedes Benz. See how he Benz the stone.. ok enough.

I know I don't want it to be true either but a pig sty smells a mile off and theres an unpleasant odour coming from Mercedes GP.

I often think that Schumacher should actually have gone to Sauber to pay back the debt.

Prawn may be trying to raise fans hope at this stage but I really can't see them turning anything around. They never have and I can't see them doing it now. This team has a history of flatlining their seasons performance. Where they start is where they stay. Look at 2009 (actually went backwards..) but in the other years they simply flatlined. With no culture of success, or working toward an improved goal and achieving it, I can't see a turn around. Perhaps you lot who keep the faith will help my keep my faith but I just don't see Mercede's supporting Schumacher going forward.
I'm glad I called his return just right in 2009 but at the same time I wish he had stayed away. As a Brazilian siad of Senna "He gave us some of the best Sunday afternoons I can remember", I had hoped his return would be a return to interesting F1. Instead its been 2.5years of Mercedes promising better things and absolutely no delivery.
Well at least with Lewis back in the fight I'll see more of Nicole. (see I can be positive)

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

As Schumacher has more impact on the value of Mercedes´F1 activity i BET EVERYTHING, that they do not want to frustrate him out of the team. This is very short thinking. They better do provide a reliable car, as more people care about him in this car than about Rosberg. He is a huge magnet for publicity, you can read last year`s articles and it is always about him. You should realize how, especially in this crazy season, nobody cares about Rosberg`s victory. Instead we have a huge discussion about Michael not succeeding. You could even count the posts in this forum to get a clearer impression.

Why? Because people Seem to want to be childish and throw crap at the team when their hero falters.
Realistically, Schumacher wasn't ever going to be a favourite for the WDC. The team have screwed up on various occasions this year, yes. No one disputes this.
But to fling mud and start name calling is beyond belief from mere amateurs.

Prawn? I mean is this F1technical or some shitty tabloid F1 site like crash.net?

[Ganxxta]

I often think that Schumacher should actually have gone to Sauber to pay back the debt.

I'm with you on this one.
Peter Sauber is the only one in F1 who is there because he loves it, not because of money, marketing, selling cars, selling cans He and Schumacher would have fitted, I'm sure the Team would also have cried (and Peter Sauber with them) when Schumacher would be on the Podium (or at least on a Pole...), have you seen someone at Mercedes so emotional in Monaco this year or in Canada last year where they almost got a podium with this piece of crap W02?

Oh btw. how many technical DNFs have both Sauber cars this year?

[marcush.]

schumacher is more important to Mercedes than mercedes is important for Michael.They have a lot of awareness either because of his well doing or even because of his lacklustre showings .
Rosberg does not even count really...Vettel and schumacher are the german icons these days.
I fail to remember when some front runner last had this many technical issues race after race ..Sato had a relly rough patch a few years ago -with BAR!!- and it was near impossible to tell why...but that was disqualys ,michelin tyre issue,missing races because of illness,exclusion of the team due to rule infringements etc etc..

[ForMuLaOne]

As Schumacher has more impact on the value of Mercedes´F1 activity i BET EVERYTHING, that they do not want to frustrate him out of the team. This is very short thinking. They better do provide a reliable car, as more people care about him in this car than about Rosberg. He is a huge magnet for publicity, you can read last year`s articles and it is always about him. You should realize how, especially in this crazy season, nobody cares about Rosberg`s victory. Instead we have a huge discussion about Michael not succeeding. You could even count the posts in this forum to get a clearer impression.

Why? Because people Seem to want to be childish and throw crap at the team when their hero falters.
Realistically, Schumacher wasn't ever going to be a favourite for the WDC. The team have screwed up on various occasions this year, yes. No one disputes this.
But to fling mud and start name calling is beyond belief from mere amateurs.

What do you mean by name calling? I just wanted to show the difference in publicity between Schumacher and Rosberg. I mean, you are part of a discussion that is much longer than anything that has been written about Rosberg. And trust me, in case of a Schumacher victory, the story will be MUCH bigger. This is neither childish nor beyond belief from mere amateurs., but it is the effect of a bigger myth around Schumacher. So, Mercedes better starts to deliver during a season that showed a VERY strong Schumacher so far, compared to our beloved talent. Realistically Maldonado wasn`t ever going to be a favourite race winner, see how big this story got? Maybe i took your post wrong. But to be honest, i am in an aggressive mood as i am really annoyed by a discussion that cannot be more than a shadow of the fact that only one MGP W03 has been working properly so far.

[yener]

My posts get deleted most of the time, but just like i mentioned before: This ain't bad luck anymore.

Ofcourse he also had bad luck with Grosjean and his undeserved 5 places grid penalty, but you have to be either stupid or blind to see that something smells funny at Mercedes.

If you saw Michael's eyes after he retired in Canada you could see how emotional and dissapointed he was.

And for the one's who are pointing the fingers to the "winter" to overlap the gap they had to the other teams. That is nonsense.

Look at Ferrari they have a WDC car right now. Look at RedBull who flight in a new floor on the last day of testing. They should have more bad luck then Mercedes does have now.

And Mercedes doesnt have bad luck, it's only Michael who is having "bad luck".

[ArchAngel]

Right after the Monaco DNF, Brawn said "we need to make sure we eliminate the problems for him, starting in Canada." Failing that in Montreal, Ross will probably say "we need to make sure we eliminate the problems for him, starting in Valencia." This pattern will most likely recur all the way to Brazil, where he'll next say "we need to make sure we eliminate the problems for him, starting next season... Eh, what's that? Michael says he doesn't want to put up with this cr@p anymore? Oh..."

If others were to completely ignore the drivers involved and just see this as a team that has produced one car that has failed its pilot in 5 out of 7 races, whereas the other one was bulletproof in all race days, then perhaps they'd be more critical of the team and be just a wee bit more tolerant at those frustrated over the improbably unrelenting misfortunes of the affected driver.

...Brawn has said that the team needs to be quite detailed in understanding what has gone wrong, and ensure that it does not further compound the problem by reacting too swiftly in a bid to solve the issues...

Guess that means no one's in danger of getting the boot anytime soon. And with the team averse to "reacting too swiftly," the situation with the reliably unreliable car #7 is bound to continue in the foreseeable future.

Actually, there's a very simple, obvious & straightforward way of stopping this ridiculous spate of DNFs for Michael. Right after FP3, the team could just switch cars... Kidding! (...or am I?)

[raymondu999]

Perhaps Nico is sabotaging Michael's car, afraid of his resurgent form from the first two events of the year?

[Cam]

Out of curiosity, I started to research the rates of sabotage in business. Amazingly, I found rates are rising and reports are coming in from businesses large and small. With so much on the line, tight margins and working capital hard to come by, getting ahead by reducing your competition is a proven tactic and one that's surprisingly common.

Mick is a major brand in himself (I think the 2nd highest worth sports player) so any deficit in his performance would have an effect on his gross earnings and possible sponsors. Same for the car, although that could be offset somewhat by the gains Nico is making.

Now I'm not saying this is happening and there is no evidence, but one well placed (or upset) person could make a massive difference to any organisation. Good enough, they could make it all plausible.

F1, it's teams and stars are worth considerable cash. That there would NO attempts to sabotage in F1 would be amazing. That there is SOME sabotage in F1 would be probable. Paying someone $50k to effect a $500m operation seems plausible and rather cost effective.

[Gerhardsa]

No time line attached so the goal is frustrate Schumacher out of the way. There's never greater praise given than right before the shove out of the door.

The role of management is to raise hope while lowering expectations.

yip Floss Prawn ticks both boxes

This is exactly what I am starting to suspect as well mate!

[bhall]