Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

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siskue2005
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xpensive wrote:
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote: ...
As for the quite ridiculous comparison between Le Mans ENDURANCE racing and F1, lets see Audi build a winning F1 car before we make any judgements.
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Audi can always try it the Mercedes way, simply buy this year's winning team and put a four-ring sticker on it?
Sure, and they did win the WDC and WCC in 2010, 2011 and oncourse in 2012... Oh wait #-o

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on RTL todays Niki Lauda and the other clown presented the "guilty "supplier component -an Hydraulic Quick disconnect.Jesus christ ...if that was the issue why not slipping it back on? why not removing the engine cover and fix that issue? which was:snapping it back home again..and why should three guys try to bend or break off the flap ? clever clever...
I assume the whole thing was made up.Formula 1 mechnics aided by a horde of Engineers know what system they are operating ....they do nothing else in life ... :roll: :roll: so at least the hydraulics mechanic /technician EXACTLY knows where the problem is and can fix it in no time.....

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xpensive wrote:Well marcush, there's an ancient swedish saying, which goes something like this; "My farmhand also had a farmhand."
This can go on forever of course, why nobody is ever responsible of any wrong-doing?
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"I spent most of my money on wine and women...I wasted the rest"

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xpensive wrote:
xpensive wrote:Well marcush, there's an ancient swedish saying, which goes something like this; "My farmhand also had a farmhand."
This can go on forever of course, why nobody is ever responsible of any wrong-doing?
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Ross is ,no question .
I expect his time is rapidly counting down in the team these days..Mercedes will take action soon.They need another win within the next three races to stop the spiral and pull their heads from the trunk as the axe is already in position...

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xpensive wrote:The problem with MGP/AMG is the lack of management, that's why we can read about these hilarious shots in the dark.

If the team was run by Ron Dennis, they would have a win every second weekend.
"I spent most of my money on wine and women...I wasted the rest"

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gato azul wrote:
Raptor22 wrote: Far worse is that Audi acheive this success inhouse through Audi Sport and Joest Racing as the team running the car. Its an Audi engine in there, modified for racing but it comes off a production line. Its an Audi Gearbox, semi auto designed in house, mated to a chassis built in an Audi factory.
sorry to burst your bubble, but that is just plain wrong.

BTW - Audis 2004-2011 DTM Engine is based on a Mugen engine, and was prepared my NBE from 2001-2004.
Nothing wrong with a bit of bashing, but at least have the decency to get your facts right, it would help your credibility
quite a bit.

what parts is just plain wrong. The fact its a production V6 block.
Easy to be rude without presenting any additional 2012 facts

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Raptor22 wrote: what parts is just plain wrong. The fact its a production V6 block.
Easy to be rude without presenting any additional 2012 facts
the two I have underlined in your post.
So which Audi V6 production engine uses an 120° cylinder angle then?
You make the claims, you should be the one to provide the data to prove it - No?
Nothing to do with being rude.

to hold up my side of the bargain, for the engine:
However, Audi does not only surprise with its extremely compact engine. The concept is also innovative for an LMP1 sports car. To lower the center of gravity as much as possible and to improve airflow through the car, the exhaust manifolds were migrated from the left and right hand sides of the engine to sit between the two cylinder banks. “Hot side inside” is the name given to this concept by specialists, which was implemented in similar form in Formula 1 in the 1980s. But the V6 TDI engine powering the Audi R18 TDI, which has a cylinder angle of 120 degrees and thus an extremely low center of gravity, is technically generations further along the line and is also a technology-demonstrator for future production engines.
and for where the chassis is produced, and which company is involved in the gearbox development:
Chassis: Carbon fibre monocoque (Dallara)
Class: LMP1
Engine: Audi Twin turbo 3700cc V6
Fuel: Diesel
Transmission: Xtrac 6spd sequential

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Nothing wrong or unusual with all that, pretty normal "modi operandi" for any prototype race car.
But no need to make any unsustainable and wrong claims, to advance once own opinion about another organization.
You are free to think whatever you like, and to express and hold whatever opinion you fancy, no problem whatsoever.
But if you present something as "fact", which is just not true, then you have to be prepared that people call you up on it.
It's a technical forum after all, and what you put forward is technically wrong, that's all.

So, your turn now, to prove your statements.

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Thank you for that information. I was under the impression it was based on the 3.2L Diesel block from the A5. Audi did make use of production blocks in the past. That the 3.7L is a 120 degree block is clearly an indication that it's a purpose designed engine.

I was told Dallara does the carbon fibre fabrication. The design is Audi Sport, the aero is Audi sport. Audi takes drawings over to Dallara and they fabricate carbon parts including the Tub. "building" is conducted by Audi sport.

As for the gearbox, X-trac again does the fabrication to an Audi design. X-trac pretty much makes gearboxes for nearly every motorsport manufacturer. I checked with a chum of mine who is a navigator in the VW rally program and he said it is an X-trac unit designed to VW/audi specs. VAG stopped doing motorsport gearboxes in-house a few years ago since it is too expensive.

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the new Audi box has a CF casing -I´d guess this is Audi expertise and not xtrac...they will be responsible for the internals ?

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thats how I Understood it. But X-trac is also subcontracting carbon fibre casings. A lot of the carbon boxes on the F1 grid come from Xtrac but designed by the teams/manufacturers.
X-trac expertise is in the double clutch mechanism area and in gear wheel / tooth design, and integrated gearbox differentials.
VW used to do this work inhouse

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i have a question. How Michael can lose on sector 2 over 0.400 and win on sector 3 0.200-0.300.

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The sectors aren't similar. A car that is faster on a straight line might be faster in one sector, while a car that is faster in the corners is faster in the other sector.



And could the Schumacher conspiracy loonies please explain his podium finish? :lol: :roll:

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What a race for Michael!!! if he won't miss Q3...

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clipsy1H wrote:What a race for Michael!!! if he won't miss Q3...
he would not be near this place

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http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... 1=Fernando Alonso&dr2=Michael Schumacher

we have to consider ,Vettel was far ahead in terms of speed ..but it lasted only as long as it did..