-The market always follows the; USP & marketing & the fashion. So if we go into another market, headphones. The trend is Dr.Dre´s Beats. It looks fantastic but it isn´t the best. I bought them because they were trendy and everybody i know wants to test them and touch them etc... you know what i mean(?).But I know the beats aren´t the best on the market but their marketing for the product was fantastic. It´s a "wannabe" hit.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Marcush touched on the point that people buying cars now really don't give a monkeys what's under the hood. It's just gotta have something "blingy" , trendy or upmarket about it and CHA CHING!
allstaruk08 wrote:i think its something to do with the engine position so far forward, i read it somewhere but cant remember where.
Yeah, I know that the RS4 and RS6 had the engine hanging in front of the front axle, which made them front heavy, like tractors BUT, why on Earth did they do that, when they knew it would make them understeery and nobody likes it?!! Did nt they have track days or perhaps enthusiastic drivers in mind? Even after lengthening the wheelbase, as in the S5, they still have nt made much progress, it still understeers. The new M3 eats it for breakfast. The old ones had the Torsen center differential right?RacingManiac wrote:Inherit layout of the Quattro(traditional, longitudinal engine "Quattro", not the TT/A3 style Haldex system) has to have the engine situated entirely in front of the front axle, resulting in pretty skewed weight distribution and more readily overwhelms the front tires. Though in recent years with them lengthening wheel base and have the front axle moving forward with a more swept forward control arms, and more rearward biased torque-split, with ability to verctor rear wheel torque, I think they have been slowly addressing the issue.
Do you know how tiny a fraction of potential buyers will ever run the car around a racetrack? And do you really think THAT kind of driver isn't going to get a BMW instead, anyways?ds.raikkonen wrote: Did nt they have track days or perhaps enthusiastic drivers in mind?
That's what you think, that people will go for a BMW instead. After all, it is the 'Ultimate Driving Machine'. So then what are RS and S Audis for? Posers and show-offs? Automobile manufacturers do test their cars on the track. Even small hatchbacks are being taken to the Nurburgring these days.skgoa wrote:Do you know how tiny a fraction of potential buyers will ever run the car around a racetrack? And do you really think THAT kind of driver isn't going to get a BMW instead, anyways?
That's skgoa's point though - very little, if any, people bring Audis to track days.marcush. wrote:take one of those to a track and let´s see how ít stands up...short circuit hockenheim ,anyone? not for long ...Nordschleife? of course no pronlem:as there is almost nil heavy breaking and you need some serious suspension travel as well ..
Yeah, I agree on that one. All the people I have met who an Audi and have previously owned a BMW or a Mercedes have praised the 'superior' quality of materials used inside the car.skgoa wrote:It's racing pedigree people want to buy, not actual performance. Audi drivers (at least here in Germany) especially choose their brand not only for being sporty but also for being great cars in terms of build quality, comfort etc...
I think we all know what the result of that one would be, any BMW will trump an Audi on the trackmarcush. wrote:take one of those to a track and let´s see how ít stands up...short circuit hockenheim ,anyone?..
And that's actually weird. They re afraid of AMG Mercs and M/Schnitzer/Hamann/Hartge Beemers thrashing them eh? Or they simply do not have the time and don't want to have fun with their machines, only use them as a tool.raymondu999 wrote:That's skgoa's point though - very little, if any, people bring Audis to track days.
Or perhaps you re worried about the cost of a new set of tyres And if it's a manual, an upgraded clutch as well.raymondu999 wrote:..and though it's quite a sporty Audi I never bring it on to a track - that's what "raw"er cars are for