Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

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clipsy1H
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zyphro wrote:
clipsy1H wrote:
zyphro wrote:http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... 72318.html

According to this, Merc have poached an aero-guy from Lotus (Mike Elliot). And he will be replacing Bigois.

I remember this guy being mentioned (here) awhile ago.
this guy have 1 month to come with something new (not extraordinary but something who show us they are on a good line).
Well, I guess one huge benefit is he'll know the ins and out's of why the Lotus is so soft on its tyres.
well Lotus directors know he's will be fired so i;m sure in last 2 months he was far away from car. Hungaroring it's a hard overtake circuit with little luck 1 mercedes can be in top5 without DRS probably sure one car in top 4.

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clipsy1H wrote:...
well Lotus directors know he's will be fired so i;m sure in last 2 months he was far away from car. Hungaroring it's a hard overtake circuit with little luck 1 mercedes can be in top5 without DRS probably sure one car in top 4.
I doubt he was 'far away from the car' - remember this guy was head of aero at LR. He'll know quite a lot.

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Some of us on this board are the most bi-polar fans I've ever seen. When Merc shows some pace it's, "OMG they're going to take the championships!!!!!11!" Then when they're slow it's, "EVERYONE on this team is a failure! FAILURE!!!!11!1"

The team needs to find pace. They're falling back within the development race, which is strange since last year they were able to maintain the gap with Red Bull using the flawed W02. Doubly strange, last year it was Lotus that couldn't develop and just kept falling back throughout the season.

Hopefully we'll eventually find out what's going on. Is their focus elsewhere? Are they being held back? Or have these tires simply stumped them?

Poaching Elliot brings a grin to my face, and the team has already met my expectations for this season. (I wanted to see progress from last season.) That said, for the rest of the year, I'm hoping the W03 will shake the remaining bugs out of the team, and we'll see some pace again soon.

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Cocles wrote:Some of us on this board are the most bi-polar fans I've ever seen. When Merc shows some pace it's, "OMG they're going to take the championships!!!!!11!" Then when they're slow it's, "EVERYONE on this team is a failure! FAILURE!!!!11!1"

The team needs to find pace. They're falling back within the development race, which is strange since last year they were able to maintain the gap with Red Bull using the flawed W02. Doubly strange, last year it was Lotus that couldn't develop and just kept falling back throughout the season.

Hopefully we'll eventually find out what's going on. Is their focus elsewhere? Are they being held back? Or have these tires simply stumped them?

Poaching Elliot brings a grin to my face, and the team has already met my expectations for this season. (I wanted to see progress from last season.) That said, for the rest of the year, I'm hoping the W03 will shake the remaining bugs out of the team, and we'll see some pace again soon.
+1

Weird to see them fall back in the development race indeed. I was expecting them to close the gap this year, since at the beginning of the season the W03 looked like a fast car, unlike the W02. But this has been a strange season. The tyres have baffled most teams, and Mercedes seems to have the least understanding of the Pirellis. Or it may just be the case like Lotus (Renault ) of 2011 which just did not respond well to any updates. But then, they were atleast getting updates regularly IIRC, and Mercedes have not brought a significant upgrade package since Monaco.

It is safe to say that the reliability issues which plagued them earlier no longer exist, now they just need to improve the car or else they ll lose the 5th place to Sauber :( I still have faith in the team, hoping to see an improved car after the summer break. If not, we ll know that the focus has shifted to next year, a strategy that hasnt really paid off for 2 years.
Forza Michael. Forza Jules

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Merc admit they're 0.5 sec per lap behind, but, surely that can be found through tyre performance? It seems they don't understand the tyres at all though =P~

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Kobayashi and Perez head to head with Rosberg and Schumacher
Quite interesting comparison
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... 3&dr1=Nico Rosberg&dr2=Sergio Perez
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... 3&dr1=Nico Rosberg&dr2=Kamui Kobayashi

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... r1=Michael Schumacher&dr2=Kamui Kobayashi

Looking there you can see that only towards the end MGPs strategy is not panning out ..as they are not quick enough to compensate for the extra stop.
Schumacher tried to carry on too long on prime tyre when Kobayashi was already pushing with the softs in the last stint.
had he changed five laps earlier it may have been a lot closer-he lost over 4 seconds in the course of 4 to 5 laps and he may have had more of his primes pushing them right to the limit.

You can see Mercedes are generally good in pitstops also inlaps marvelous but as I mentioned times after times the strategy seems uninspired and lacking whit.
No it would not make them winners
But yes ,Schumacher would have challenged Perez and Koba for position and that would have been a feast.

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marcush. wrote:Kobayashi and Perez head to head with Rosberg and Schumacher
Quite interesting comparison
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... 3&dr1=Nico Rosberg&dr2=Sergio Perez
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... 3&dr1=Nico Rosberg&dr2=Kamui Kobayashi

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... r1=Michael Schumacher&dr2=Kamui Kobayashi

Looking there you can see that only towards the end MGPs strategy is not panning out ..as they are not quick enough to compensate for the extra stop.
Schumacher tried to carry on too long on prime tyre when Kobayashi was already pushing with the softs in the last stint.
had he changed five laps earlier it may have been a lot closer-he lost over 4 seconds in the course of 4 to 5 laps and he may have had more of his primes pushing them right to the limit.

You can see Mercedes are generally good in pitstops also inlaps marvelous but as I mentioned times after times the strategy seems uninspired and lacking whit.
No it would not make them winners
But yes ,Schumacher would have challenged Perez and Koba for position and that would have been a feast.
The problem for Schumi was in quali: they wasted a set of mediums when they should've used the softs.

Also Schumi was saving fuel within his final stint.

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yener wrote:
Because they suck. Not only thee head of aerodynamics, or the engineers. They suck as a team. Including and Michael Schumacher, Nico Rosberg and Ross Brawn.

All failures IMO
you can't really say the drivers suck.
Because of the tyres this year - if in the past drivers only had a small % of impact on performance before, it is virtually zero now, because with these tyres none of them are driving to their limit.

so you can't really blame the drivers in any way, as they can't contribute anything, the performance now is dictated 100% by car setup and track temperature, compared to maybe 80-90% before these damn pirellis.

for me the best sessions of 2012 are the qualifying....its the only time you get to see driver skill have any influence.

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yener wrote:I don't blame individuals, i blame them as a team. And the drivers also make part of the team.

Show me one interview of Nico saying something positive about Michael. You can't.

Show me a movie that Nico and Schumacher are talking in the garage or at least stand side by side. You cant.

All Nico can do is making stupid video blogs in ffwd 'germand english'.

This team is a joke.
LOL the team is a joke, but the drivers simply cannot be blamed. They are both doing the best with their equipment, and schumi is clearly more on top of the tyres than Rosberg is (from the last 3 races anyway, wet and dry)

i can't think of any other team where you see the teammates chatting to each other?
infact...the last time I remember seeing something like that, was Michael with Massa. I can't think of any pairing, maybe Ricciardo and Vergne because torro rosso are now awful and they might as well have a laugh together....

also I quite like Nico's blog, at least he's making some sort of effort, (and i'm die-hard schumi worshipper). Nico does seem to be devoid of any kind of character though...but thats what happens when your dad is an ex f1 driver, youre rich, and everything is handed to you on a plate.

schumi, vettel, webber, kimi, alonso seem to be the only ones with remotely any character. but anyway thats beside the point.

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zyphro wrote:Merc admit they're 0.5 sec per lap behind, but, surely that can be found through tyre performance? It seems they don't understand the tyres at all though =P~
I really doubt they'll pull another .5 sec/lap out of their "focus on understanding the tires". That .5sec/lap will only be found when they MAKE THE CAR BETTER.
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970

“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher

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marcush. wrote:Kobayashi and Perez head to head with Rosberg and Schumacher
Quite interesting comparison
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... 3&dr1=Nico Rosberg&dr2=Sergio Perez
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... 3&dr1=Nico Rosberg&dr2=Kamui Kobayashi

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... r1=Michael Schumacher&dr2=Kamui Kobayashi

Looking there you can see that only towards the end MGPs strategy is not panning out ..as they are not quick enough to compensate for the extra stop.
Schumacher tried to carry on too long on prime tyre when Kobayashi was already pushing with the softs in the last stint.
had he changed five laps earlier it may have been a lot closer-he lost over 4 seconds in the course of 4 to 5 laps and he may have had more of his primes pushing them right to the limit.

You can see Mercedes are generally good in pitstops also inlaps marvelous but as I mentioned times after times the strategy seems uninspired and lacking whit.
No it would not make them winners
But yes ,Schumacher would have challenged Perez and Koba for position and that would have been a feast.
Agreed, they should have pitted him a few laps earlier. Also, Schumi's out laps after stops 2 and 3 are super fast!
Forza Michael. Forza Jules

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YEah but they were seeing a faster wear rate. It appears their tyres hit a steppe quicker than the other cars. Itslik they get through the best performance within 2 or 3 laps then settle.

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I don't expect much for Merc in the race @ Hungary. It is going be a disaster - we need rain else we can't expect much.

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zyphro wrote:I don't expect much for Merc in the race @ Hungary. It is going be a disaster - we need rain else we can't expect much.

2 things.

First we have to see how the mapping law affects the team(s) that use aggressive mapping.
Mercedes have, for whatever reason, not been following this path.
Secondly, remember that Hungary is dubbed "Monaco without the walls". How did Mercedes fare at Monaco?
Pole position(stripped yes, but still the class of the field) and Rosberg hounded Webbers gearbox to the end.
I'm more optimistic for this race than any of the last 4 we have seen.
More could have been done.
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M only worried about the hot temperatures.This track will suit them, but the tyres...well :roll:
Forza Michael. Forza Jules