Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[ReLax]

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Last time I checked, he was acting as the CEO of the team .
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But this is truly the bizarre part with this team, all those xecutives, Norby, SmallFry, RB, John Owen, Bell, Will the thrill,
the Italian Stallion, Bigois and now Elliott Ness, why I seriously believe that some radical overhead downsizing is in order?

But if they do this downsizing, WHY in god's name did they got all those people? I mean, last year the got 3 new guys. This year one guy. And in 2010 some. So why should they downsize when they brought them so shortly? That would be the biggest missmanagement in F1 history.

[zyphro]

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Last time I checked, he was acting as the CEO of the team .
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But this is truly the bizarre part with this team, all those xecutives, Norby, SmallFry, RB, John Owen, Bell, Will the thrill,
the Italian Stallion, Bigois and now Elliott Ness, why I seriously believe that some radical overhead downsizing is in order?

I agree. Fry definitely needs to go: I did not particularly like how he said things about Schumacher in public (Schumacher then went and shat him up by sticking the Merc on pole).

How on earth he survived the Honda days, is a great mystery. Bell & Brawn need to weed out every single lasting weakness of the 'BAR DNA', and then, they can concentrate on building the silver arrow DNA.

[zyphro]

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But if they do this downsizing, WHY in god's name did they got all those people? I mean, last year the got 3 new guys. This year one guy. And in 2010 some. So why should they downsize when they brought them so shortly? That would be the biggest missmanagement in F1 history.

We don't really know about "downsizing" yet, there's been no official word. If by downsizing they mean, getting rid of the jokesters and replacing them with professional folk, then it's all good .

I doubt Bell would leave, he's one of the main guys propelling this project now.

[elf341]

It occured to me that people are speculating quite wildly based upon just a single report by autosprint, which could admittedly be rumour and nothing more. After all, wasn't it autosprint that speculated about a magical heated Bryne floor on the F2012?

I remember a very poignant quote from Schumacher back in Barcelona:

“Ross cannot be replaced. That’s simply impossible.”

[marcush.]

i think there is something really bizzarre going on....brawn stil in charge after all what happened already?
Could it be Schumacher was not drawn in by Brawn BUT Daimler them playing a loyality jeton on him for all they made possible for him and Brawn working against him all the time?
I just try to make sense out of all this mess it almost seems like there is two or three streams of interest within this team and really nobody apart from them drivers and perhaps Norby wants the team suceed ?

[xpensive]

I'm not so certain about anything anymore marcush, to me this is more like "Anarchy in the UK", than "Es muss ein bisschen orndnung sein", what is this anyway?

[sidmiester]

It occured to me that people are speculating quite wildly based upon just a single report by autosprint, which could admittedly be rumour and nothing more. After all, wasn't it autosprint that speculated about a magical heated Bryne floor on the F2012?

I remember a very poignant quote from Schumacher back in Barcelona:

“Ross cannot be replaced. That’s simply impossible.”

think rumours coming from autosprint are overexaggerated...

but i think elliot is definitely in the team now, means they are probably revising position at most, i doubt anyone would leave. this team's senior aerodynamicist role was left vacant, so willis probably temporarily looked over, so now elliot came for bigois, so no one is leaving i think. project remains as it is with elliot on board... me thinks...

[sidmiester]

But this is truly the bizarre part with this team, all those xecutives, Norby, SmallFry, RB, John Owen, Bell, Will the thrill,
the Italian Stallion, Bigois and now Elliott Ness, why I seriously believe that some radical overhead downsizing is in order?

But if they do this downsizing, WHY in god's name did they got all those people? I mean, last year the got 3 new guys. This year one guy. And in 2010 some. So why should they downsize when they brought them so shortly? That would be the biggest missmanagement in F1 history.[/quote]


think thats just some overexaggeration by autosprint. isnt that italian source??? they are never accurate.

dont think anyone is leaving. bigois left, so elliot came... and things remain as it is. been thinking over and doesnt make since why they would reshuffle now given they just did that few months ago with them being handed new project of w04.

think as willis is now of R&D, for upcoming races there will be updates coming, i hope so.. costa bell would be busy with w04 elliot as senior aero guy now

[marcush.]

we have seen an upturn with this years car -which was clearly working quite well out of the box and had no big reliability issues as well ...now with the season unfolding it seems they not only stagnate but go backwards when you would expect Costa and willis making impact with their knowledge and experience.
I tcertainly does not look like things are coming together ...and 'Rosberg being upbeat about a new aero recruit seems to confirm he does not expect much coming from those who are already on board?

[Morteza]

we have seen an upturn with this years car -which was clearly working quite well out of the box and had no big reliability issues as well ...now with the season unfolding it seems they not only stagnate but go backwards when you would expect Costa and willis making impact with their knowledge and experience.
I tcertainly does not look like things are coming together ...and 'Rosberg being upbeat about a new aero recruit seems to confirm he does not expect much coming from those who are already on board?

So what in the name of God was going on in this team for the past 2.5 years? Couldn't they sack Bigois earlier and not in their third season?

[sidmiester]

we have seen an upturn with this years car -which was clearly working quite well out of the box and had no big reliability issues as well ...now with the season unfolding it seems they not only stagnate but go backwards when you would expect Costa and willis making impact with their knowledge and experience.
I tcertainly does not look like things are coming together ...and 'Rosberg being upbeat about a new aero recruit seems to confirm he does not expect much coming from those who are already on board?

So what in the name of God was going on in this team for the past 2.5 years? Couldn't they sack Bigois earlier and not in their third season?

that is well said man. i am wondering the same. every great team has or needs a great aerodynamicist, bigois clearly isnt the one.
frankly bigois should have never touched the w03 project and hence team is still suffering with lot of aero problems. tyres problem is still unsolved since 2010.

with bigois gone, he is not our problem anymore.... he is someone else burden now. we will see how he does in other team...

[sidmiester]

so gupdate says bigois is going to be ferrari's new aerodynamicist in the start of sept. ....

Oh dear ( ).

hahaa we will observe closely how he collaborates with the likes of fry/tombazis/... tombazis is a top guy so bigois will be scrutinized by him.

time will tell whether he was a problem or our current group of aero department staffs are the problem

prior to joining mercedes bigois like many says has never produced or worked in a consistently winning car.

now atleast we have some people who have won championships and have consistently made a good car over a season, so that gives me a little optimism.

had a really bad feeling that bigois was a disease in this team and they did the right thing in getting rid of him

[Ganxxta]

had a really bad feeling that bigois was a disease in this team and they did the right thing in getting rid of him

If he wasn't the disease and Ferrari are going to dominate next year while Merc is 4th or worse again, then I lose any hope in this Team and will support Kimi and whatever Team he will drive for.

They could just have fired him because they needed a scapegoat and as Michael said "Brawn is unreplaceable"= unfireable...

[sidmiester]

had a really bad feeling that bigois was a disease in this team and they did the right thing in getting rid of him

If he wasn't the disease and Ferrari are going to dominate next year while Merc is 4th or worse again, then I lose any hope in this Team and will support Kimi and whatever Team he will drive for.

They could just have fired him because they needed a scapegoat and as Michael said "Brawn is unreplaceable"= unfireable...

Ferrari probably has started their work for next year car just like everyone do, so since if reports are to be true that bigois has indeed joined ferrari in sept, then he would have less input in the design. on development race however he may bring a lot of ideas, but again, tombazis is still a top man so under him i think bigois wont have problem ...

have no idea.... we will see...

mercedes though, on w04, i expect improvement, consistency and making car competitive is one thing that they absolutely have to make, another thing is how the new staffs would be able to react and find solution if they were to produce a great car and fall back, the entire season will be looked at, how they fare.

lets see. next year would be a final straw for me...

[roadwarrior]

i think there is something really bizzarre going on....brawn stil in charge after all what happened already?
Could it be Schumacher was not drawn in by Brawn BUT Daimler them playing a loyality jeton on him for all they made possible for him and Brawn working against him all the time?
I just try to make sense out of all this mess it almost seems like there is two or three streams of interest within this team and really nobody apart from them drivers and perhaps Norby wants the team suceed ?

Strangely, I've found myself thinking this too recently. I just have this niggling feeling that Ross doesn't seem all that happy (well as happy as you'd think he should be) when MSC does well. It's something I have noticed in post race interviews with Ross. To me there seems to be something strange going on with that relationship.

I really like Ross in his Ferrari days and his Brawn year but I think he doesn't seem to have the fight in him any more. He just looks like he's lost interest to me.

I guess we'll never really know what's going on in the team and all the political relationship dynamics.