Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[marcush.]

If you think Mercedes is spending less than say Mclaren,Ferrari or Redbull just count the heads of what usually features as one Technical director...

[elf341]

The whole Three Kings thing I don't think is unique to Mercedes.
McLaren also in years past - and to an extent still now - had a fair few number of people who for all intents and purposes were Technical Directors. e.g. the Paddy Lowe, Pat Fry, Neil Oatley combo.
At one time, Paddy Lowe was Engineering Director, Pat Fry was Chief Engineer of Race Development, Neil Oatley was Executive Director of Engineering. But all three "designed cars" at the same time. To me, their roles were much more blurred than at Mercedes were Brawn specifically said Engineering Director is chassis, Technology is Aero + Strategy, and Technical is Technical Leadership over the other two.

[marcush.]

the big difference is :
Mercedes somehow did not have a td for 3 something years and in the course of one year suddenly directors popping up as if it was spring time ....
you will certainly have difficulty to teach your workforce total freedom is over and you have to report to a director..who himself has to report to someone....In a ways this may be one of the big problems inside as the team worked somehow already without all the kings...

[zyphro]

Mercedes not writing off season:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101688

I'm happy to see this type of attitude; they should not throw in the towel.

[zyphro]

Looks like Merc are recruiting in R&D: http://www.autosport-atlas.com/dir_appo ... intid=3250

Ideally the candidate will have a well-proven track record of working in an R&D lab environment

No Tom, Dick or Harry then .

So they are still restructuring. It seems they were trying their chances with the old staff (what sane mind would do such a thing with the history of this team? ) When will things get stable in this team?

Seems like it. The restructuring is taking longer than it would at other teams, because, well this team had a long lineage of being unsuccessful.

[marcush.]

the blala written in autosport is even worse than what we ever heard of MGP .content anyone?

[SeijaKessen]

Mercedes not writing off season:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101688

I'm happy to see this type of attitude; they should not throw in the towel.

But really, what would you expect them to say?

Admitting they are giving up on the season publicly with 9 races yet to be run, would not sit well with sponsors, and those in Stuttgart.

There's this nice quote...

"Our car suits some tracks and, what we have to do is produce a car that is competitive on all circuits. That is our priority. There is a massive amount of work going on to improve the situation." -Ross Brawn

Saying what you have to do, and actually doing it are two different things.

I'll believe there is a massive amount of work being done when I actually see it produce results.

[zyphro]

Mercedes not writing off season:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101688

I'm happy to see this type of attitude; they should not throw in the towel.

But really, what would you expect them to say?

Admitting they are giving up on the season publicly with 9 races yet to be run, would not sit well with sponsors, and those in Stuttgart.

There's this nice quote...

"Our car suits some tracks and, what we have to do is produce a car that is competitive on all circuits. That is our priority. There is a massive amount of work going on to improve the situation." -Ross Brawn

Saying what you have to do, and actually doing it are two different things.

I'll believe there is a massive amount of work being done when I actually see it produce results.

No ---. However, it is better than saying: "we're pushing all our efforts into 2013". There's no use from running away from problems with the car - it doesn't solve anything. They need break out of the BAR mentality and solve these problems.

[xpensive]

"Our car suits some tracks and, what we have to do is produce a car that is competitive on all circuits. That is our priority."
- Ross Brawn.

Oh my, there's been some serious thinking in Brackley since last weekend, there's no telling on what might come out of this?

[SeijaKessen]

"Our car suits some tracks and, what we have to do is produce a car that is competitive on all circuits. That is our priority."
- Ross Brawn.

Oh my, there's been some serious thinking in Brackley since last weekend, there's no telling on what might come out of this?

Why I hear that at Brackley, the three kings spend their mornings in the parking lot taking turns revving the engine of the Italian Stallion's 612. Ross just stares out the window wishing he had that freedom.

I had an epiphany xpensive.

What if the con is not quite up?

I could see Ross going before Dr. Z and the Daimler board and apologizing for the disaster of the past few years, and offering to make amends by buying the team back at a 25 cents on the dollar. Dr. Z and the Daimler board not believing their stroke of good fortune to get the team off the books agrees. Ross then fields another championship winner. Thus the end of the con.

[SeijaKessen]

Mercedes not writing off season:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101688

I'm happy to see this type of attitude; they should not throw in the towel.

But really, what would you expect them to say?

Admitting they are giving up on the season publicly with 9 races yet to be run, would not sit well with sponsors, and those in Stuttgart.

There's this nice quote...

"Our car suits some tracks and, what we have to do is produce a car that is competitive on all circuits. That is our priority. There is a massive amount of work going on to improve the situation." -Ross Brawn

Saying what you have to do, and actually doing it are two different things.

I'll believe there is a massive amount of work being done when I actually see it produce results.

No ---. However, it is better than saying: "we're pushing all our efforts into 2013". There's no use from running away from problems with the car - it doesn't solve anything. They need break out of the BAR mentality and solve these problems.

zypho,

The thing is, I believe all of their efforts are being focused on 2013 at this point. That's not to say their efforts will amount to anything in 2013 either; which I do not believe they will.

What are they really going to do between now and November?

Maybe redesign some of the aero components?

Is it even worth doing at this point since they pissed away half a season doing nothing?

[mantikos]

I call BS on this one:

http://www.f1technical.net/news/17677

Spl since John Owen was the car designer (his job was predominantly related to internal layout and CAD) NOT the aero head.

[NewtonMeter]

If you think Mercedes is spending less than say Mclaren,Ferrari or Redbull just count the heads of what usually features as one Technical director...

Having three techinical directors does not imply you have the biggest budget. As far as I can tell Merc was below the RRA and was ramping up towards it, while McLaren, Ferrari and most notoriously Red Bull are supposed to be coming down. But I think you know this already.

Lotus, well, as much as I despise them (actually their team boss mostly), they seem to be massively efficient with their resources. So a begrudged kudos to them.

[xpensive]

...
Having three techinical directors does not imply you have the biggest budget.
...

Perhaps not, but it indicates that resources available is perhaps not spent in the very wisest way?

Imagine a Team Principal, a Racing Principal and a Competition Principal, all within the same team?

[NewtonMeter]

Perhaps not, but it indicates that resources available is perhaps not spent in the very wisest way?

Maybe, but you cant prove it. To do good work, first you need good people. And though some among us have quite a lot to say about the team (to put it mildly), I dont think anyone would deny they got the best available.

Think of it this way. Go to any top company and ask the ceo if he thinks its a bad investment hiring good people.