Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[turbof1]

Perhaps not, but it indicates that resources available is perhaps not spent in the very wisest way?

Maybe, but you cant prove it. To do good work, first you need good people. And though some among us have quite a lot to say about the team (to put it mildly), I dont think anyone would deny they got the best available.

Think of it this way. Go to any top company and ask the ceo if he thinks its a bad investment hiring good people.

That's not necessarily true. First of all a ceo would look at how high the investment is. It's a cost-benefit issue; if the cost is too high, then it's a bad investment. Secondly, you need more then just good people for F1, essentially a teamsport and -business. You can hire the best experts and throw them together; if they fail to coöperate properly with eachother, it is a bad investment. The better investment always is people who can work together properly and who add high value in a team, not individually.

[zyphro]

zypho,

The thing is, I believe all of their efforts are being focused on 2013 at this point. That's not to say their efforts will amount to anything in 2013 either; which I do not believe they will.

What are they really going to do between now and November?

Maybe redesign some of the aero components?

Is it even worth doing at this point since they pissed away half a season doing nothing?

Of course, some efforts are being pushed into 2013 - I wouldn't expect all efforts to be pushed into that direction just yet.

Who knows? McLaren have showed that, one big upgrade can bring you to the front again. Whether or not Mercedes can do the same, remains to be seen.

[MSC07-JCGX]

zypho,

The thing is, I believe all of their efforts are being focused on 2013 at this point. That's not to say their efforts will amount to anything in 2013 either; which I do not believe they will.

What are they really going to do between now and November?

Maybe redesign some of the aero components?

Is it even worth doing at this point since they pissed away half a season doing nothing?

Of course, some efforts are being pushed into 2013 - I wouldn't expect all efforts to be pushed into that direction just yet.

Who knows? McLaren have showed that, one big upgrade can bring you to the front again. Whether or not Mercedes can do the same, remains to be seen.

true but i think they won't want to fall behind too much, they'll try to bring the half a second needed to fight in the race, but what they learn this year will help for 2013 but i think the tyre issues won't be solved until next year

[ReLax]

Brawn said already, they will shifting resources again to this year.

[marcush.]

the proof is in the pudding ...they surely not spend less than Lotus ,Force India and sauber or williams PLUS they are a works effort so at least in theory they haved access to almost unlimted recources -DLR,DAI,what have you.
So bang for buck they suck big time ..no matter if the kings get one two or three millions of € ,,,errm pounds.

[Ferraripilot]

Come now marcush, do you actually believe that anyone would take news around this sorry team seriously any more?

Xcept for one or two devoted individuals on F1T perhaps, right JET?

Here in the US, I see my local MB dealers decorated to the hilt with F1 meaning it's more than just an activity for Daimer, but now a way of life. I don't believe MB will stop until they are a world championship capable team again. They already make the best engines, the rest is just a matter of time. Red Bull took 5 years to win a race, and 6 to win a WCC. By that formula, MB are doing just fine.

I believe W03 would have been a much more capable car had it not been for 2012s extremely fickle tires. That said, W04 is going to be d-day for the team as I believe W03s ultra-intelligent suspension should be a springboard for other cars to come, just as RB5 birthed RB6.

[SeijaKessen]

Come now marcush, do you actually believe that anyone would take news around this sorry team seriously any more?

Xcept for one or two devoted individuals on F1T perhaps, right JET?

Here in the US, I see my local MB dealers decorated to the hilt with F1 meaning it's more than just an activity for Daimer, but now a way of life. I don't believe MB will stop until they are a world championship capable team again. They already make the best engines, the rest is just a matter of time. Red Bull took 5 years to win a race, and 6 to win a WCC. By that formula, MB are doing just fine.

I believe W03 would have been a much more capable car had it not been for 2012s extremely fickle tires. That said, W04 is going to be d-day for the team as I believe W03s ultra-intelligent suspension should be a springboard for other cars to come, just as RB5 birthed RB6.

MB makes the best engines?

Putting Mercedes covers on an Ilmor built engine does not make it a MB engine...much like painting a British F1 car silver does not make it a Mercedes car.

Nor does winning 2 constructors championships since 1995 qualify them as the best engine Manufacturer.

Over the same period of time, Renault-powered F1 cars have won 7.

Ferrari engines have won 8.

I think our opinions on what constitutes best engines differs just slightly.

The consolation is that Ilmor/MB engines are indeed better than Cosworth engines over the same time period.

[zyphro]

I believe W03 would have been a much more capable car had it not been for 2012s extremely fickle tires. That said, W04 is going to be d-day for the team as I believe W03s ultra-intelligent suspension should be a springboard for other cars to come, just as RB5 birthed RB6.

Agreed.

Although, the next half the season will indicate the team's resolve in, how they attempt to solve problems with the car more efficiently in future.

[xpensive]

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Putting Mercedes covers on an Ilmor built engine does not make it a MB engine...much like painting a British F1 car silver does not make it a Mercedes car.
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Just for the record, MHPE had a swedish managing director during the winning years, now everybody should know that?

[Neno]

I believe W03 would have been a much more capable car had it not been for 2012s extremely fickle tires. That said, W04 is going to be d-day for the team as I believe W03s ultra-intelligent suspension should be a springboard for other cars to come, just as RB5 birthed RB6.

Agreed.

Although, the next half the season will indicate the team's resolve in, how they attempt to solve problems with the car more efficiently in future.

not it wont. same story all over again. W01 was evolution of brawn, it was solid but not good, then they said W02 will be complete new car, and it was but car suffered from short wheelbase, high CoG, etc, bla bla bla, and on the end it was solid but not good enough, then they said W03 will be evolution of W02 it will end all previous problems, longer wheelbase, lower CoG, they even had good idea with DDRS (but it worked only in qualy...) but car AGAIN have similar W02 problems (TYERS!). what now W04 will be evolution of W03 and if this it will work only ONE year. 2014. you have new regulations rules, new tyers, new engines, something complete new, and you probably cant transmit the philosophy of the old car on the new car.

[SeijaKessen]

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Putting Mercedes covers on an Ilmor built engine does not make it a MB engine...much like painting a British F1 car silver does not make it a Mercedes car.
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Just for the record, MHPE had a swedish managing director during the winning years, now everybody should know that?

Swedish efficiency at its finest!

[Richard]

Posts fixated on a transaction undertaken in 2009 are in the relevant thread.

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Please remember this is 2012.

[xpensive]

Ah, but I would try and find someone with a vague idea of how to run an F1-team, like Ron the Con perhaps...ooops!
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But seriously, I would ask Flavor Flav, he usually knows what to to, love him or loath him?

[marcush.]

I certainly have huge respect for anyone who feels competent to steer an undertaking of 400 + people.In formula 1 or motorsport generally you will be judged not for your money on the bank but the trophies in your company reception (ok the building did cost a few quid as well) but that´s really the difference to a "normal"company .The aim is to win and the money is just the fuel to do so .
Still you need to find the people who have the passion -but most of them will never ever stand on top of the rostrum no matter how many wins you will bag..
So refuse to call them complete fails it´s just there is a feeling of complacency surrounding Brawn it anything .On the other hand they called him the owl in his Benneton days ...maybe its just his looks that fool you there was no passion.

[SeijaKessen]

Ah, but I would try and find someone with a vague idea of how to run an F1-team, like Ron the Con perhaps...ooops!
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But seriously, I would ask Flavor Flav, he usually knows what to to, love him or loath him?

I agree...I really think Flav is the answer for Merc should they soldier on for another season.

Besides, wouldn't it be fun to see him showing up with whomever his latest supermodel squeeze is?

I'm sure Britney would be quite jealous.