Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[SeijaKessen]

Now wouldn't this fly in the face of the claim made by one poster that Merc engines are the absolute best out there?

/facepalm The merc engines are widely considered the most powerful on the grid. You're American... You have Steve Matchett mentioning this every race weekend, and you're sighting an article that discusses how the Merc engine's power is chewing up the tires as contradicting me?

Wtf are you talking about?

Dear Cocles:

A poster --I don't recall their name-- stated that Ilmor---drat, I mean Merc engines are by far the best engines out there period.

I simply informed the gentleman that were that in fact true, Ferrari and Renault engines would have not racked up more Constructor's championships than Merc over the last 17 years. That's not combined (Renault & Ferrari) it is separate.

I said also...

Wouldn't it also remove all doubt that Ron the Con uses Merc engines out of the goodness of his heart and/or just wants to win?

Why if Ron the Con wanted to win, he would be on the phone with Renault Sport asking about engines.

Maximum power output does not necessarily equate to "best" due to other variables based upon my rather limited knowledge.

I could be wrong though.

I prefer to watch the Sky broadcasts as opposed to the Speed broadcasts. That whole commercial thing is rather annoying...plus I think Brundle is way better.

[marcush.]

Amazingly the best ones are coming directly from Stuttgart and Brackley these days.....don´t you think so ? No X is just as brilliant -and he never even touched any of the Silverarrows ,as far as I know..

a little while ago MGP officials voed to stop commenting on their woes but instead get their head down and do the business which would stop the bad mouthing ..
It seems they feel it´s better to talk than deliver.

[Cocles]

Yes, Seija. In F1, the teams generally want the most powerful engine, "most powerful" does reasonably equal "best". As we've seen though, it takes more than just the best engine to win a championship.

[marcush.]

the engine was good enough to win how many grandprix this year?

[zyphro]

the engine was good enough to win how many grandprix this year?

The same amount as the Renault.

[wunderkind]

Now wouldn't this fly in the face of the claim made by one poster that Merc engines are the absolute best out there?

/facepalm The merc engines are widely considered the most powerful on the grid. You're American... You have Steve Matchett mentioning this every race weekend, and you're sighting an article that discusses how the Merc engine's power is chewing up the tires as contradicting me?

Wtf are you talking about?

Dear Cocles:

A poster --I don't recall their name-- stated that Ilmor---drat, I mean Merc engines are by far the best engines out there period.

I simply informed the gentleman that were that in fact true, Ferrari and Renault engines would have not racked up more Constructor's championships than Merc over the last 17 years. That's not combined (Renault & Ferrari) it is separate.

I said also...

Wouldn't it also remove all doubt that Ron the Con uses Merc engines out of the goodness of his heart and/or just wants to win?

Why if Ron the Con wanted to win, he would be on the phone with Renault Sport asking about engines.

Maximum power output does not necessarily equate to "best" due to other variables based upon my rather limited knowledge.

I could be wrong though.

I prefer to watch the Sky broadcasts as opposed to the Speed broadcasts. That whole commercial thing is rather annoying...plus I think Brundle is way better.

Interesting!

Just ask the people at Red Bull how hard Chris Horner had tried to get Mercedes Benz engines in the last few years. Nope, McLaren would not consent to it even for a substantial payment.

[Dragonfly]

Does this mean that because they are not able to manage the engine (for whatever specific reasons) like the Renault torque maps and off-throttle modes, they brought the issue to FIA aiming to obstruct the Renault powered teams but the end result is they suffer more with the imposed limitations?
(That's because I had the impression Mercedes and/or McLaren were behind the "findings" of Bauer )

[marcush.]

I´d think if you can win this many races with an unworthy engine ,the problem is more in your head than anywhere else...
In fact Mercedes is the sole engine supplier which has its win distributed over more than one chassis supply AND with both Coanda and engine power optimised maps...
Reality is how you look at things .If you want to see a problem area just focus ....

[elf341]

Here's an interesting question: will Mercedes get another win before the end of the year?

To be honest, even with Mercedes' poor form recently and everyone saying they're dead in the water, I don't know if it's such an easy thing to bet against!

[marcush.]

I remember everyone saying -the first win is the hardest to achieve -and everything will fall in place after this.
Certainly not the case for this years first time winners...Both fell off the cliff ..of sorts..
I think a second win is still possible but it will need a special opportunity ..Brawn is dreaming when he thinks Lotus or Mclaren could be caught with this team.
In fact Mclaren has managed to fall flat on their face AND come back to winning when Mercedes had a small high between two lows....and ferrari certainly has turned their hopeless effort into something quite competitive.
I jjust don´t see any of the 4 teams in front in danger to get lost as much as Mercedes has in the last weeks.
So I believe they will recover a fair bit but 5th is what is realistically possible.Lotus is cleaqrly closer to winning than Mercedes in terms of consistency AND speed.
On the opposite it is obvious that Sauber has a very good car and is maybe a bit hampered by drivers who are not bringing home the maximum possible results one could argue-it does need just a bit of luck and a weekend with both guys delivering in Q2/Q3 and Mercedes needs a minor miracle to stay 5th.

[xpensive]

Just imagine MS and NR in the Sauber cars, mindboggling indeed.

[xpensive]

...
I do hear when they sleep at night, they imagine themselves in just about any car other than Merc, HRT, and Marussia.

Surely things can't be that bad, right JET?

If xcessive engine-power is indeed the problem now, they might just do that I guess?

[SeijaKessen]

If xcessive engine-power is indeed the problem now, they might just do that I guess?

Maybe we should start a pool picking what the excuse after Spa will be?

[xpensive]

Don't know really, nothing would beat hearing The Horner complaining that despite their dog for an engine, the chassis is aerodynamically way too slippery, creating xcessive terminal speeds, which is destroying those Pirellis during braking?

[yener]

Don't know really, nothing would beat hearing The Horner complaining that despite their dog for an engine, the chassis is aerodynamically way too slippery, creating xcessive terminal speeds, which is destroying those Pirellis during braking?

Could be, but I think the problem is more on acceleration getting out of the corner. Lack of grip at the rear, car get shaky the tyres shuffle on the floor which creathe high temperatures.

But the car is not bad. They just need to find more consistancy so they can end 9 and 10th every race.