Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[marcush.]

It´s not wanted it´s not useful it´s not there.
Don´t mix up marketing with technology ..direct injection is not happening in formula 1 ,a paddle shift gearbox of VW or BMW has not much technology in common with LMP or formula 1 technology -safe the paddles obviously-the weight penalty for such a box is around 40kg as I understand...Newey would kick out his complete design team if they came up with something like this.
CF production methods in F1 are strictly Autoclave -no ways a mass produced part could be made along those lines.Maybe some RP technology filters down to Automotive Developmnent-Through the suppliers -as these have to hurry up in a world that needs shorter and shorter leadtimes in the development process..but that´s not really something supported or lead by the OEMs it´s the suppliers who look elsewhere as they see they need to be more efficient to make money with all this.

[xpensive]

Snap out of it, F1 was a viable marketing tool for manufacturers a decade ago with MrM and his grand visions, this is a bold new age, MrT tried to re-live it but failed miserably. We're going back to the 80's, or perhaps not even that.

[SeijaKessen]

F1 has nothing in common with road cars, and never will.

All this talk about it is ludicrous now.

The auto manufacturers who gave it a go, all found out they couldn't compete and headed for the hills.

Merc missed the entire thing apparently.

When Merc is gone in another season or two at most, it'll probably become apparent for the deniers.

[bhall]

F1 has nothing in common with road cars, and never will.

[...]

Don't be so hasty.

[wunderkind]

The reason VW-Audi is not in F1 is not because of the lack of technological relevance F1 has on roadcars. The VW-Audi motorsport people (Stuck, Ulrich, and now Durheimer) have always had one eye on what is happening in F1. VW-Audi is not in F1 because VW-Audi has not come up with a sure-fire plan to be a regular winner in F1.

Unlike F1, in DTM, le Mans, touring cars and sportscars, you don't have to throw big money to hire top quality personnel from a very small talent pool just to ensure competitiveness, let alone winning regularly. Audi's le Mans program began as an offshoot of their DTM activity and did not become a stand-alone effort until a few years after. A lot of the engineers there were reassigned from touring car and the roadcar duties. There is just no way VW-Audi could achieve success in F1 with the same modus operandi.

The level of know-how and technologies in F1 are such that designers and engineers coming from lesser racing formulae or roadcar background will get drowned by the sheer steepness of the learning curve. Furthermore, even if VW-Audi had the money to throw around, many of the top-line F1 designers and engineers are not available to them at this time. They will have to build up slowly or acquire a mid-tier team like Sauber.

You said F1 technologies have little or no relevance to roadcars. Yes, the aerodynamics of a F1 car is more rocket science than automotive science. But I beg to differ, the use of composites is slowly being trickle down to roadcars. Many electronic systems such as traction control, engine and transmission ECU have migrated to roadcars. Same with IC engine and hybrid technologies.

F1 is still the best test-bed for automotive technologies. I personally believe the greatest contributions F1 has made to the automotive industry are the F1 designers and engineers going back to designing and engineering roadcars with their F1 knowledge and experience.

SeijaKessen, I could have taken the easy way out and just said F1 is just about going fastest and winning and marketing exposure and has very little to do with roadcars.

wunderkind-

I'm not sure if you are aware of it, but Buick actually had traction control way back in 1971.

Here's a quick link I found.

http://www.buick-riviera.com/maxtrac.html

Wow! And I once saw a drawing by Leonardo da Vinci that resembled a helicopter from a few centuries ago.

[Sombrero]

The glory days of F-1 are past. BMW, Honda, Renault and Toyota are gone as full manufacturers, so will Mercedes.

By chance, Mercedes and Renault will stay as engines manufacturers with the new V-6 1.6 HT if not that would have been the end of the game. Mercedes don't want to be fully involved anymore partly because of lack of result and partly because of poor management of the F-1 business.

For manufacturers like Audi, BMW and Mercedes actual F-1 can only be detritical.

[marcush.]

To see some Styling cues resembling current F1 technologies is hardly a technology transfer...or have I got something wrong there.?
All OEMs have seriously got it wrong -apart from Ferrari who run their show like it should be done since Todt implemented
the structures or better said gave them new direction.
Mercedes looks unlikely to make the corner ,unfortunatelly,and if we are realising this ,how much would you suffer having spent so much money -even if it´s not your money at all it´s still you are kept responsible for its spending and of course ROI
which is certainly not looking good.
Add to this the dramas around Mr.E and Gribkovski and the less than satisfactory Corporate numbers and it will soon be Zetsche or MGP but not really as MGP has no right to live without building another silverarrow legend.
These days one can see only one legend in all this Schumacher -struggling to finish races due to unreliable equipment.It just cannot get worse.
It´s certainly a completely different prospect compared to Renault entering Formula 1 with a rolling Laboratory...this is just another formula 1 team but not a top team ,sadly.

[aral]

F1 has nothing in common with road cars, and never will.

All this talk about it is ludicrous now.

Obviously this is YOUR opinion, but it is not backed up by fact.

[Dragonfly]

F1 has nothing in common with road cars, and never will.

All this talk about it is ludicrous now.

Obviously this is YOUR opinion, but it is not backed up by fact.

It's my opinion also. Also not backed by facts just like the opposite view.

[Richard]

Road relevance of F1 cars is a perennial debate, here's the thread for this year's version ...

http://forum.f1technical.net/forum/view ... =1&t=11840

Any further posts on that topic after this will be moved.

[madly]

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/More ... 47049.html

[SeijaKessen]

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/More ... 47049.html

Norby the Hutt was seen at the local beer cellar imbibing heavily upon hearing this.

The clock is ticking down.

[Ferraripilot]

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/More ... 47049.html

Norby the Hutt was seen at the local beer cellar imbibing heavily upon hearing this.

The clock is ticking down.

Not really. This is the smartest move they can make. This simply means MB is going to be there for their engineering resources and Ross is going to be allowed to run the team, which is how it should have been all along. A board of directors has no business running an F1 team unless they all know a great deal about it. I'm actually massively surprised they didn't have it like this the entire time. In this case, they're just handing the power over where it needs to be. I'm wondering if before this, the board had a 20-30% role, and the rest was Brawn, my gosh I hope it wasn't the opposite. No wonder they were flailing if that was the case.

[SeijaKessen]

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/More ... 47049.html

Norby the Hutt was seen at the local beer cellar imbibing heavily upon hearing this.

The clock is ticking down.

Not really. This is the smartest move they can make. This simply means MB is going to be there for their engineering resources and Ross is going to be allowed to run the team, which is how it should have been all along. A board of directors has no business running an F1 team unless they all know a great deal about it. I'm actually massively surprised they didn't have it like this the entire time. In this case, they're just handing the power over where it needs to be. I'm wondering if before this, the board had a 20-30% role, and the rest was Brawn, my gosh I hope it wasn't the opposite. No wonder they were flailing if that was the case.

Team Tyrrell > BAR > Honda > Brawn > MGP > AMG? > ???

My how the mighty have fallen.

Anyway, this is a complete joke of a F1 team.

The team currently is known as the AMG Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team.

So they're going to drop the "Mercedes" part out and somehow the team is going to be better off?

Of course that even assumes the team will be around in 2014. Once Dr. Z is out the door, the board is going to be climbing over one another to pull the plug completely and sell off the team to someone/something else. The only thing that will remain is Ilmor as far as Merc involvement in F1.

[aral]

The team currently is known as the AMG Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team.

So they're going to drop the "Mercedes" part out and somehow the team is going to be better off?

Of course that even assumes the team will be around in 2014. Once Dr. Z is out the door, the board is going to be climbing over one another to pull the plug completely and sell off the team to someone/something else. The only thing that will remain is Ilmor as far as Merc involvement in F1.

If re branded to AMG, the car could still be called an AMG Mercedes, due to engine. So there would be little difference. Zetsche appears to be getting the push, and the shareholders want Merc out of F1. There is a board meeting in the ext few months. Should be interesting!