Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[marcush.]

I´d guess the new development relates to a Brackley inspired rain dance? I heard the very best raindancers lived nearby in Bicester ...

[Vasconia]

I´d guess the new development relates to a Brackley inspired rain dance? I heard the very best raindancers lived nearby in Bicester ...

According to all the weather forecasts I have seen no rain is expected for Saturday and Monday. Oh my Goddess, even doing this they are terrible.

[Vasconia]

This team is truly awful. They introduced some good ideas in this car but they didn’t solve the main problem, the use of the tyres. Because of this, they haven’t introduced any important development in the rear part of the car, they could try to introduce a new exhaust and rear suspension in order to solve this problem, gain down force and improve the balance of the car. But what they have done is only remove the front cascades, losing front down force and making the car slower.

Is this the definition of “hard work” for this team? This is annoying.

[Coefficient]

This team is truly awful. They introduced some good ideas in this car but they didn’t solve the main problem, the use of the tyres. Because of this, they haven’t introduced any important development in the rear part of the car, they could try to introduce a new exhaust and rear suspension in order to solve this problem, gain down force and improve the balance of the car. But what they have done is only remove the front cascades, losing front down force and making the car slower.

Is this the definition of “hard work” for this team? This is annoying.

I think to be fair their hands are tied. The board back at Mercedes HQ has tightened the purse strings whilst they assess the brands involvement in Formula 1 going forward since Bernie denied them a seat on the board come flotation.

They have been making excuses and towing the party line so that the brand can save face and the Pirellis were the perfect scapegoat to explain the lack of performance. I think now that there is a clearer direction for the team in the guise of AMG F1 in the offing we might see some progress now.

Too little too late for this year but to be honest distance management by a dispassionate board of directors has destroyed this team’s chances in the past (Honda) so being transferred to the smaller High Performance entity will probably work better and it wouldn’t surprise me if Ross Brawn was instrumental in seeing this come to fruition.

[NewtonMeter]

I think to be fair their hands are tied. The board back at Mercedes HQ has tightened the purse strings whilst they assess the brands involvement in Formula 1 going forward since Bernie denied them a seat on the board come flotation.

I trust you have something to back this up? I've not hear of anything out this. Lots or rumours about a pullout, but nothing of reducing funding.

[Coefficient]

I think to be fair their hands are tied. The board back at Mercedes HQ has tightened the purse strings whilst they assess the brands involvement in Formula 1 going forward since Bernie denied them a seat on the board come flotation.

I trust you have something to back this up? I've not hear of anything out this. Lots or rumours about a pullout, but nothing of reducing funding.

It's pretty common knowledge now that the board were so incensed by Bernie that they nearly pulled the plug completely.

It's also common knowledge that they are considering offloading the F1 team to AMG and want it to operate as in independant commercial entity in order to save money.

Also, the fact that all the team have done with the car is bring it to races then take it home to wash it makes it patently obvious that they haven't had the money to spend on developing the car.

Its all over the net, get yourself on google and knock yourself out.

[zyphro]

Would you believe it eh, the FIA was wrong about the drive-through:

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 86185.html

[Vasconia]

I think to be fair their hands are tied. The board back at Mercedes HQ has tightened the purse strings whilst they assess the brands involvement in Formula 1 going forward since Bernie denied them a seat on the board come flotation.

I trust you have something to back this up? I've not hear of anything out this. Lots or rumours about a pullout, but nothing of reducing funding.

It's pretty common knowledge now that the board were so incensed by Bernie that they nearly pulled the plug completely.

It's also common knowledge that they are considering offloading the F1 team to AMG and want it to operate as in independant commercial entity in order to save money.

Also, the fact that all the team have done with the car is bring it to races then take it home to wash it makes it patently obvious that they haven't had the money to spend on developing the car.

Its all over the net, get yourself on google and knock yourself out.

That’s true, according to some in formations Mercedes(as a label) is going to leave F1, AMG will take the main role in the team(obviously changing the name) and the German car manufacturer will only supply the engines.

Which is more difficult is to measure the consequences of this change, less budget and resources perhaps? I don’t know but this seems not to be good.

[Vasconia]

Would you believe it eh, the FIA was wrong about the drive-through:

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 86185.html

Theoretically, these guys know the rules…

Anyway, the race was ruined with the previous mistake so its not that bad, imagine if this happen in SPA or in any race where Michael can get a good result.

[zyphro]

Would you believe it eh, the FIA was wrong about the drive-through:

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 86185.html

Theoretically, these guys know the rules…

Anyway, the race was ruined with the previous mistake so its not that bad, imagine if this happen in SPA or in any race where Michael can get a good result.

Aye, ah well - however, he wouldn't have had to waste further time catching cars such as the Virgins, HTR's etc .

[Cocles]

It's pretty common knowledge now that the board were so incensed by Bernie that they nearly pulled the plug completely.

It's also common knowledge that they are considering offloading the F1 team to AMG and want it to operate as in independant commercial entity in order to save money.

Also, the fact that all the team have done with the car is bring it to races then take it home to wash it makes it patently obvious that they haven't had the money to spend on developing the car.

Its all over the net, get yourself on google and knock yourself out.

Actually, no. It was reported by one website, which every other website then repeated while linking back to that original website. The rumor was then repeated on here, and as usual, after a couple posts people began referring to it as fact. Since then, one or two other websites have reported their own similar rumors. I'm not saying the rumors aren't true, only that they are still just that... Rumors. And they'll remain as such until we actually hear something from Brackley or Stuttgard.

[Gerhardsa]

I'd rather think it was Flav in the Benneton days, and then Jean Todt and Rory Bearne in the Ferrari days that were more courageous in terms of new developments and parts.
Ross seems to be very conservative which is so annoying.
But thats just my opinion...

[Stradivarius]

I'd rather think it was Flav in the Benneton days, and then Jean Todt and Rory Bearne in the Ferrari days that were more courageous in terms of new developments and parts.
Ross seems to be very conservative which is so annoying.
But thats just my opinion...

I would say that Ross was quite courageous when he introduced the double DRS. And back in 2009 (or should I say 2008, when the car was developed) when he introduced the double diffuser.

[Coefficient]

I'd rather think it was Flav in the Benneton days, and then Jean Todt and Rory Bearne in the Ferrari days that were more courageous in terms of new developments and parts.
Ross seems to be very conservative which is so annoying.
But thats just my opinion...

Flav? He couldn't make a nail nevermind F1 development parts.

[NewtonMeter]

It's pretty common knowledge now that the board were so incensed by Bernie that they nearly pulled the plug completely.

It's also common knowledge that they are considering offloading the F1 team to AMG and want it to operate as in independant commercial entity in order to save money.

Also, the fact that all the team have done with the car is bring it to races then take it home to wash it makes it patently obvious that they haven't had the money to spend on developing the car.

Its all over the net, get yourself on google and knock yourself out.

The 'common knowledge' looks more like speculation and unconfirmed rumours. As it happens, it all does not mean they are spending less, now. It means someone thinks they are pulling out. Honda even kept on spending even after they pulled out by funding Brawn. See the difference? At this stage no one, apart from a select few, knows anything more than that; and everything else is speculation.

So no, MAYBE pulling out next year, does not equal spending less now.

Also, their still ongoing recruitment drive makes it patently obvious to me that they aren't as cash strapped as you're making them out to be.