Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[zyphro]

Best part of the race today was:

Team radio:
Box: "Michael, we need 3 qualy laps, push now."
MSC: "Are you joking?"

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad

Did Michael really reply with that? I never got that only the former.

[marcush.]

x just think about it:
you are hired as the new king and suddenly Ross the boss and Norby who talks a lot come up with Willis who come through the door asking for an obsolete Windtunnel and got a job instead or costa who was kicked out of ferrari and was not snapped up by any other team ....maybe I´m wroong but Bell had shown before he is capable of running a team so hiring more kings even before his own work could be gauged is a bit .....bad style ,perhaps?
I think there is more than one Pope in MGP having a say in human recource hiring .Costa obviously a Brawn draw ,Willis maybe old BAR sympathy and Bell a logical choice from the board to get more leverage on Brawn to stop messing about with things he has no real idea of ...

Again -updates -what would or could we expect from this team to come up with ? I have no idea what could fuel any hope we will see a step comparable to Mclarens recent upgrade.

I still have the desire to throw up after last years w02 vanilla car debut with big announcements to come up with a spectacular definite race car at the last possible moment and when it appeared it looked jus as rough and unfinished as the lunch spec-plus it overheated as well...so ....to put it with Schumachers words:...hope dies last....

[xpensive]

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When Ross was interviewed before the race...I kept thinking, "How does someone like this become a Team Principal?"

What is even more amazing is why DrZ has not replaced him yet, it must be perfectly obvious to the suits by now that the man is fake thru and thru, that his main role with Ferrari was to be MrM's ambassador to the the preferred winners?

[Morteza]

You are so right, Marcus. They've hired all these people. But the thing is are they actually doing anything? They have a car which eats its tires so they have to run a two stop strategy where most others run on one stop strategies. They speak of understanding tires as though if it were solved W03 would have set the world on fire in terms of pace. I know they are about to bring upgrades for Singapore, but the thing is we hope they can sort it out. And hope is the worst thing when it comes to this team. Having faith in HRT is more reasonable than keeping faith in MGP. They can never get anything right

[diego1960]

I am so proud of Michael, he seems race after race to perform at the car's limit, driving beautifully, completely focused and professional. I really want to see him race next year, preferably in a Merc that is not such an embarassing sh*tbox.
On the other hand, Nico seems to be driving nervously, bad and race after race he fades away in oblivion. Maybe MSC finally decided to play hard-ball on a mental level like he did with his other team-mates in the past? Funny thing, the "old and finished" driver to be putting such performances together while the young one to seem so mediocre without the fancy EBD. Vettel too seems to have lost his mojo, thats why I speak of EBD, maybe the only thing linking them.

As for Crap-cedes, I really hope that the Singapore update consists of a new exhaust and some rear downforce or else we should start preparing ourselves for Sauber passing us in the WCC.

[xpensive]

@marcush:
With your xperience of Mercedes/Daimler, would it be typical of that company to let a subsidiary drift around like this?

[zyphro]

I am so proud of Michael, he seems race after race to perform at the car's limit, driving beautifully, completely focused and professional. I really want to see him race next year, preferably in a Merc that is not such an embarassing sh*tbox.
On the other hand, Nico seems to be driving nervously, bad and race after race he fades away in oblivion. Maybe MSC finally decided to play hard-ball on a mental level like he did with his other team-mates in the past? Funny thing, the "old and finished" driver to be putting such performances together while the young one to seem so mediocre without the fancy EBD. Vettel too seems to have lost his mojo, thats why I speak of EBD, maybe the only thing linking them.

As for Crap-cedes, I really hope that the Singapore update consists of a new exhaust and some rear downforce or else we should start preparing ourselves for Sauber passing us in the WCC.

+1.

Michael is driving brilliantly, what a shame. I don't care what the points say: Michael's consistently performed better than Nico this season. I'd even go as far as saying he'd be commanding position to challenge for the title in a more consistently competitive car.

[Morteza]

I am so proud of Michael, he seems race after race to perform at the car's limit, driving beautifully, completely focused and professional. I really want to see him race next year, preferably in a Merc that is not such an embarassing sh*tbox.
On the other hand, Nico seems to be driving nervously, bad and race after race he fades away in oblivion. Maybe MSC finally decided to play hard-ball on a mental level like he did with his other team-mates in the past? Funny thing, the "old and finished" driver to be putting such performances together while the young one to seem so mediocre without the fancy EBD. Vettel too seems to have lost his mojo, thats why I speak of EBD, maybe the only thing linking them.

As for Crap-cedes, I really hope that the Singapore update consists of a new exhaust and some rear downforce or else we should start preparing ourselves for Sauber passing us in the WCC.

+1.

Michael is driving brilliantly, what a shame. I don't care what the points say: Michael's consistently performed better than Nico this season. I'd even go as far as saying he'd be commanding position to challenge for the title in a more consistently competitive car.

It's a pity that the car is such a crap that he cannot fight at the front. Kimi is so lucky Lotus have a competitive car.

[SeijaKessen]

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When Ross was interviewed before the race...I kept thinking, "How does someone like this become a Team Principal?"

What is even more amazing is why DrZ has not replaced him yet, it must be perfectly obvious to the suits by now that the man is fake thru and thru, that his main role with Ferrari was to be MrM's ambassador to the the preferred winners?

I feel like he must have some sort of dirt on the FIA going back through the Ferrari years, and the Benetton years that has caused MGP to get strong-armed into keeping him.

Whenever any of the other team principals talk, they seem to have a at worst, general idea as to what they are talking about.

Ross opens his mouth, and what comes out makes absolutely no sense.

I firmly believe that based on his success with MGP --Brawn GP does not count as there was nothing to build with that team other than shoehorning a Merc engine into the car-- he was not instrumental one bit to Ferrari's success during the Todt/Schumacher years. He was as you say, MrM's ambassador at best. Technical director? I think not.

[zyphro]

It's a pity that the car is such a crap that he cannot fight at the front. Kimi is so lucky Lotus have a competitive car.

Indeed; he wouldn't be so competitive in a W02/W03.

[Ganxxta]

Best part of the race today was:

Team radio:
Box: "Michael, we need 3 qualy laps, push now."
MSC: "Are you joking?"

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad

Did Michael really reply with that? I never got that only the former.

At least thats what 2 of my friends and me understood in that moment...

@ snoop
And yes he was already sliding, mostly evident out of the second chicane.
I also didn't understand why they pitted him after Rosberg, I mean he was in front of him, he was under attack of kimi, hence loosing extra time and in the end he missed 1-2 laps to be ahead of kimi on this tires

[xpensive]

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I firmly believe that based on his success with MGP --Brawn GP does not count as there was nothing to build with that team other than shoehorning a Merc engine into the car-- he was not instrumental one bit to Ferrari's success during the Todt/Schumacher years. He was as you say, MrM's ambassador at best. Technical director? I think not.

You know what they say, it's about "know who" far more than "know how", but this guy is still a completely different animal altogether, starting out as a milling machine operator with MrM's old March outfit, can you believe it?

Not that I don't believe in working your way up in the world, but come on?

[Ferraripilot]

The Magny Cour's test should allow the team to test a few upgrades.

+1 Merc should have an interesting raft of updates for their machine.
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Does that come from your private crystal-ball or is it just wishful thinking?

I see where you're coming from X, and I have no crystal ball. But I do remember the last time Brawn stated a 'visible' update were being put on the car, it was in the form of an EBD being placed on W02.

Other teams running a form of EBD simply don't have as much to gain as W03 does. W03 with an EBD would simply be catching up to where they are, so I don't see Magny-Cours as an opportunity for the top teams to find two or three tenths unless they have some new 'magic bullet'. Merc has a fundamentally sound car but it just needs more rear downforce (once again) so it can run its front end how it wants to be run. It's almost as if W03 is currently a shell of what it's capable of being.

[marcush.]

@marcush:
With your xperience of Mercedes/Daimler, would it be typical of that company to let a subsidiary drift around like this?

I´m surprised a tiny bit

Just look as far as High performance engines in Brixworth .They let them do their thing but placed senior staff when things looked a bit shaky after Morgans death and Mrio illiens decision to step down.
And they still have the best engine and arguably the best kers unit -at least in terms of power.(btw nowadays the Merc power seems to be an advantage again...not long ago some clowns tried to make us believe the strong engine was causing the lack of car performance... I wonder who placed this rubbish with the german media...)
Brawn not only has a bullet proof contract he is obliged to stay on as principal and does get the moneys for the sale of the team in tranches bound to his leadership with the team .That´s how it was communicated back then.
Now think of it ....Ross is more interested in rose growing fly fishing and what have you these days...how get rid of that annoying job? after all a championship with the silverarrows would make a fittong high to his career as well if only it was not somuch work ...
I´m surprised they haven´t put the bucks into a big suitcase and showed him the door yet....just to get rid of him .

[Glyn]

Pretty funny how Mercedes lose over a second (nearly 2 seconds) per pit stop to the Mclarens.