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Lewis Hamilton has dominantly won the Italian GP, leading the Grand Prix for nearly the entire distance. Sergio Pérez in the Sauber finished in a brilliant second place with an impressive second half of the race. Fernando Alonso is third, having started from 10th position.
Not really. CW said:beelsebob wrote:nterestingly, this would make every crash Hamilton was involved in last year, except for Kobayashi in Spa, and Massa in Japan be the other driver's fault. Interestingly, that would include Massa at the hairpin in Monaco... I'm not sure that's entirely justifiable.
Hoho.... no we get banned.zyphro wrote:Curva Grande.
Hmm....
I agree. One has to ask themselves: was Alonso correct to go for a gap that was seemingly ever closing? I think not, especially when you consider he held the natural line. Alonso could've waited for a better opportunity; he over-taking Vettel was going to be inevitable.nacho wrote:In my opinion Vettel's line to that corner was completely normal. If you check Hamilton's pole lap, he goes exactly the same way.
It would be very easy to pass if every time someone puts their front wing past the rear wheel the driver ahead (who probably can't tell for sure where the front wing is) will have abort his normal driving line and make space for the driver behind.
Well, I see inversely, Vettel was too slow on the entrance of the curve. Alonso avoid the crash on his back going on the left. He could have gone in but he reacted to go out. Vettel knew all the time Alonso was there. So I agree Alonso was found himself on trouble but after avoiding the back of Vettel. Vettel knew from the beginning he screwed on the entrance and Alonso was out. He could have let him slightly a bit more space but he decided not as the telemetry shows.zyphro wrote:I agree. One has to ask themselves: was Alonso correct to go for a gap that was seemingly ever closing? I think not, especially when you consider he held the natural line. Alonso could've waited for a better opportunity; he over-taking Vettel was going to be inevitable.nacho wrote:In my opinion Vettel's line to that corner was completely normal. If you check Hamilton's pole lap, he goes exactly the same way.
It would be very easy to pass if every time someone puts their front wing past the rear wheel the driver ahead (who probably can't tell for sure where the front wing is) will have abort his normal driving line and make space for the driver behind.
Unfair penalty IMO.
Care to explain why the incident involving the photo above, was not investigated? Come on, there's obviously something going wrong here. Far too obvious.Redragon wrote:Well, I see inversely, Vettel was too slow on the entrance of the curve. Alonso avoid the crash on his back going on the left. He could have gone in but he reacted to go out. Vettel knew all the time Alonso was there. So I agree Alonso was found himself on trouble but after avoiding the back of Vettel. Vettel knew from the beginning he screwed on the entrance and Alonso was out. He could have let him slightly a bit more space but he decided not as the telemetry shows.zyphro wrote:I agree. One has to ask themselves: was Alonso correct to go for a gap that was seemingly ever closing? I think not, especially when you consider he held the natural line. Alonso could've waited for a better opportunity; he over-taking Vettel was going to be inevitable.nacho wrote:In my opinion Vettel's line to that corner was completely normal. If you check Hamilton's pole lap, he goes exactly the same way.
It would be very easy to pass if every time someone puts their front wing past the rear wheel the driver ahead (who probably can't tell for sure where the front wing is) will have abort his normal driving line and make space for the driver behind.
Unfair penalty IMO.
Fair penalty.
zyphro wrote:Also this:
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Redragon wrote:zyphro wrote:Also this:
Now the big question is, why they applied drive through to Vettel and no Alonso for this one?
Both should have been penalized at the end. Maybe the fact it was the first turns is the answer as we know always at the beginning finished a car on the grass as it is tight and nonone wants to lose a position
Could you kindly point out what that has to do with the rules or the reasons given for Vettel's penalty?Redragon wrote:Checked the video from the start. The difference between both incidents is Vettel screwed up on the entrance of the turn. From the start Alonso is ahead of Diresta and does not mistakes, so is Diresta who decide to pass him on the outside. On Vettel-Alonso, Alonso avoids Vettel as he is too slow and found himself on trouble avoiding the crash
@InsideFerrari say Alonso suffered a broken rear damper, a hole in his floor, and a lost diffuser part after the incident with Vettel.Chuckjr wrote:Does anyone have pictures/spacific details of what exactly was damaged on FA's car from the Vettle insident? I'm curious how much he was limited by the damage of his chassis thereafter.
