Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[Pierce89]

Personally, I just want to see what Shumi can do over a season in a top car.

[marcush.]

@pierce

Fair enough, why?

I just think more ACCURATE data always gives a more complete picture. Maybe it helps the new guy with a fresh perspective to find a solution quicker than if he only has data on a baseline configuration

Well they even have doule reference data -as Mr.Rosberg and Mr.Schumacher usually are on similar strategies which does of course remove the other alternative from making it into reality ,so nobody can say for sure if there even was another possible way to succed...

In fact thesed ays Formula 1 has manoevred itself into a situation where backtoback or referencve testing has to be ommitted simply as you have no time -laps ,tyres to spare.
So changing one thing at a time is a thing of the past and you have to be in a position to DoE and be able to decifer and quntify the several effects when running multiple changes at once.This is not clubmans level motorsports it´s formula 1 .
You cannot afford to struggle to realise you made a very basic mistake in thinking you could afford NOT developing the car
and at the same time watching all your opponents growing new parts at a rate unseen ever before .
Lotus had a big stagnation and falling back just last year when stoipping development for similar reasons -change to 60% modelsize and look how they bounced back -this year. The big mistake was commited last year after the clamp down on ebd
methinks -Mr.Brawn was sure there was nothing to be found with exhausts anymore so there was not much value increasing modelsize -he was wrong ( I was sure he was right last winter) and Ferrari as well as Sauber and RedBull are the perfect examples to prove that point....It took a lot of iterations to get it right -no team is running with their original layout still...

[FoxHound]

Bhall, you are very defensive. This is not my motivation.

You say fundamentally flawed, which could mean flawed beyond repair. It's down to definition, and you just say "fundamentally flawed", which leaves alot of scope for interpretation.
My question is a fairly straightforward one, and yes it's based on conjecture. Like 90% of what you have posted on this particular thread.
I'm just after some common ground, so that we can push the thread forwards in positive fashion.

[FoxHound]

@pierce

So you would relying solely on Cfd and the old windtunnel? I don't think that's advantageous at all.

[marcush.]

as I understand you cannot switch from tunnel to tunnel but have to assign your work to ONE tunnel?

[NewtonMeter]

as I understand you cannot switch from tunnel to tunnel but have to assign your work to ONE tunnel?

This may explain why we saw so little updates. They focussed their work on the 60% tunnel calibration, instead of using the 50% one for upgrades. While they were at it, they figured they might as well do some mechanical work to understand the tyres.

But they would absolutely need to get that 60% sucker calibrated before the off season begins with the W04. So sacrificing half a seasons upgrades might have been worth while.

I freely admit this is only conjecture. But it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck. Know what Im saying...

[Vasconia]

Coanda exhausts will be raced in Singapore:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102642

this is good news - cannot wait to see how this unfolds

a natural feeling that this could be a strong wet or dry weekend for mercedes

It will be raced if the data after the free practise confirms the positive feelings of Magny Cours. If the system works in the way we all hope Mercedes could be a frontrunner this weekend. [-o<

[turbof1]

Bhall, you are very defensive. This is not my motivation.

You say fundamentally flawed, which could mean flawed beyond repair. It's down to definition, and you just say "fundamentally flawed", which leaves alot of scope for interpretation.
My question is a fairly straightforward one, and yes it's based on conjecture. Like 90% of what you have posted on this particular thread.
I'm just after some common ground, so that we can push the thread forwards in positive fashion.

Agreed. Flawed beyond repair would mean throwing away the current design. Fundamentally flawed means the design has flaws in its "core design" and it isn't wrong to interpret that as having to throw away the design too.

[schumifan]

This feels encouraging for those hoping mike will stay with merc

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/184113/1/r ... where.html

[schumifan]

And, okay nearly died when i read the last line of this article - Rosberg actually bigging michael up to the max

http://www.inautonews.com/rosberg-write ... FmUsUbeDcw

[Gerhardsa]

And, okay nearly died when i read the last line of this article - Rosberg actually bigging michael up to the max

http://www.inautonews.com/rosberg-write ... FmUsUbeDcw

We all know he doesnt like Michael much for some odd reason, maybe his dad has something todo with that...
Maybe he is talking about Ralf in that last line
ya neva know!

[elf341]

I think NewtonMeter's view may be very close to reality.

The last substantial aero update on the W03 came in Monaco which was late May. Since it was a huge update with new sidepods, fabrication would have taken a while and perhaps the design was finalised in early May or even late April. April coincides with the time when Mike Elliot supposedly joined Merc as Head of Aero, under Willis. Elliot was a senior aerodynamicist at Lotus, and would have been notably involved in Lotus' windtunnel upgrade 50%->60% in Spring 2011 - he must be intimately aware of some issues that Lotus had with 50% models which triggered them to upgrade and one might imagine made this view very clear as soon as he arrived.

[FoxHound]

Now then! No windtunnel for a few months, and no updates.
If you aren't capable of correlating the data real time(50-60% windtunnel) then you are in a world of hurt.
Windtunnel is upgraded and bang! Updates appear.

[elf341]

Or perhaps more tellingly, a multitude of pitot-tube arrays appear on the car in Magny-Cours just after the team announces they have completed their windtunnel upgrade. Would appear to be correlation verification to check the new WT is properly calibrated.

[FoxHound]

Or perhaps more tellingly, a multitude of pitot-tube arrays appear on the car in Magny-Cours just after the team announces they have completed their windtunnel upgrade. Would appear to be correlation verification to check the new WT is properly calibrated.

Agree with this. It's a far better explanation of what is actually going on at the factory than monkeys running around throwing bananas at each other. As amusing as it sounds, it just doesn't fit.