Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[Pierce89]

All aerodynamic work stopping because of one person is not very plausible IMHO. I honestly think the team needs more lower level engineering talent.

[zyphro]

All aerodynamic work stopping because of one person is not very plausible IMHO. I honestly think the team needs more lower level engineering talent.

I agree. Everything has to be perfect (or as close as to it).

[FoxHound]

All aerodynamic work stopping because of one person is not very plausible IMHO. I honestly think the team needs more lower level engineering talent.

That's not what we are saying.

The aforementioned posts say that due to windtunnel upgrades, car upgrades would be nigh on impossible.

[sidmiester]

i think the new exhaust mercedes is bringing is a must have upgrade that they should have had ages ago, but when it comes to performance upgrade it would have been so much better if mercedes had brought new floor, diffuser updates which we arent hearing or seeing at all. all the other top teams are doing that

still i am hoping both cars make it to top 6

[marcush.]

I wonder why Merc has not picked up the baton with the sidepod cooling entry treatment adding deflectors to remove the stagnating air in front of the inlets and keeping the flow attached at the topsurface...
Also I miss a visible effort to cleanup the front brakedrums a la Sauber ,Ferrari and Williams.

It took them all there is to mimic hot exhaust blowing by the looks of things...the disconcerting detail here is:what does lotus know ....they have not opted to go the coanda route but still seem to find the speed -downforce levels and distribution necessary.

[NewtonMeter]

I wonder why Merc has not picked up the baton with the sidepod cooling entry treatment adding deflectors to remove the stagnating air in front of the inlets and keeping the flow attached at the topsurface...
Also I miss a visible effort to cleanup the front brakedrums a la Sauber ,Ferrari and Williams.

It took them all there is to mimic hot exhaust blowing by the looks of things...the disconcerting detail here is:what does lotus know ....they have not opted to go the coanda route but still seem to find the speed -downforce levels and distribution necessary.

One step at a time with the deflectors. They haven't even trialled the basic system in a race, yet. They are fully justified to trial it first before adding optimisations.

Next, and don't get me wrong, but the underlined bit is what a lot of us have been saying for the entire year when this team was absolutely crucified by a lot of you for not having coanda exhausts. Now that they've got it, you're questioning it? How does that work, then?

[elf341]

I've often wondered if they were able to get a version of their ride height adjusting brakes working under the rules. This was seen pre-season as a serious game changer that would benefit any team that had developed it, but it was banned before testing. Lotus became notably silent especially given that they were greenlighted by the FIA well over a year before, so I wonder if they did manage to keep or adapt some aspect of it.

[marcush.]

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 92020.html

So now Mr.Haug speaking again....
Basically he says -we don´t know if the upgrade works and if it works we don´t know where it will lift us -AS WE DON´T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME THE OTHERS HAVE FOUND WITH THEIR UPDATES...myohmy ...what a insight..they finally found out other teams could really find performance updating their cars. One has to ask who decides what all these are allowed to tell the world instead of telling stories they should tell the truth or shutup.

[FoxHound]

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 92020.html

So now Mr.Haug speaking again....
Basically he says -we don´t know if the upgrade works and if it works we don´t know where it will lift us -AS WE DON´T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME THE OTHERS HAVE FOUND WITH THEIR UPDATES...myohmy ...what a insight..they finally found out other teams could really find performance updating their cars. One has to ask who decides what all these are allowed to tell the world instead of telling stories they should tell the truth or shutup.

Did you want Haug to give a detailed technical briefing on exactly how their upgrades work, with detailed graphs showing the cause and effects?
And did you want him to say "these upgrades will work exactly as planned, because we have tested them with both Schumacher and Rosberg at the Singapore track and we know exactly how they will perform".
Did you want Haug to tell you exactly how much McLaren, Red Bull, Lotus Ferrari etc. have brought with their upgrade packs?
When team principles are asked questions, they answer them.They arent forced to, but they do so for Sponsors and exposure. I'm a bit shocked you expect Haug to know exactly what other teams have brought to a venue on a Thursday, and I'm doubly shocked to see you expect him to "tell the truth" when only god knows how the teams will perform this weekend, especially Mercedes with it's as yet unraced upgrade pack.
Be reasonable mate, he's only pandering to the great big media machine, and I can quote a dozen other principles giving the same crap this very weekend.

[marcush.]

you got me totally wrong .
I said :they are liars or complete idiots.
I cannot announce to concentrate on tyre understanding only to come up with an upgrade a few months later and say h we don´t know about the effect ,as others may have developped their cars quicker than us...For what reason they could decide to NOT develop their own cars back then and tell us there is no sense in throwing on bits as the time is only in understanding the tyres....that does not make any sense to me.
Basically Brawn has paddled backwards for some time now in trying to readress his former statements what was the right ways to tackle this season.

But one has to ask why they have not communicated at least now that they had a proper reason to not bring upgrades-
the reason was a upgrade needed to their windtunnel .
They chose to start the conversion when they felt the car was competitive enough to survive the 3or four months until the systems are up and running again.
It´s like last year with Lotus -they blamed the drivers for not delivering -when in reality there was no activity to solve the car issues but the team upgrading the tunnel instead....

[schumifan]

I am finding it a little difficult, if not frustrating that so many sources are almost confirming that schumi is to be booted out and needs to do what he can to keep a good seat for next year

thoughts?

http://www.todayonline.com/Sports/EDC12 ... rs-crossed

[marcush.]

Don´t get fooled by british media .The tone is always very different there - even Autosport fails to admit when Schumacher is really delivering the goods ..it seems just alright with them to be a bit more critical of him ...maybe there is hope to help Hamilton or di Resta ,who knows .
MGP tried to sign Schumacher earlier this year ,Brawn wanted to ,but Schumacher declined.Don´t get confused it´s the lack of performance and Schumacher will not live on unfullfilled hopes for another year..other teams are willing to sign him.Sauber one of them.

[Morteza]

Don´t get fooled by british media .The tone is always very different there - even Autosport fails to admit when Schumacher is really delivering the goods ..it seems just alright with them to be a bit more critical of him ...maybe there is hope to help Hamilton or di Resta ,who knows .
MGP tried to sign Schumacher earlier this year ,Brawn wanted to ,but Schumacher declined.Don´t get confused it´s the lack of performance and Schumacher will not live on unfullfilled hopes for another year..other teams are willing to sign him.Sauber one of them.

Man you gotta love Peter Sauber. He is just amazing. I'm glad his team is outperforming Mercedes. They truly deserve it.

[zyphro]

Re. Sauber:

"I would take him immediately," Peter Sauber, whose Mercedes-backed sports car team provided the springboard for Schumacher's formula one career more than two decades ago, smiled to Germany's Auto Motor und Sport.

Schumacher isn't waiting on Mercedes, it's the other way round.

[Pierce89]

Re. Sauber:

"I would take him immediately," Peter Sauber, whose Mercedes-backed sports car team provided the springboard for Schumacher's formula one career more than two decades ago, smiled to Germany's Auto Motor und Sport.

Schumacher isn't waiting on Mercedes, it's the other way round.

Surely no one thought that Shumi was waiting to see if Merc would re-sign him. They're all praying that he can overcome their lack of competence enough that he decides its worth extending his comeback. Maybe, Mike can give this band of miscreants just enough direction to put out a top car(only to be shitty again the second Shumi leaves)