Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[clipsy1H]

the stewards took into acount a similar accident had already happened this year...

And was duly penalized and bore the consequences of that penalty.
If MS was in the group that cut across the turn at the start he'd have a drive through already. I am dead certain abut it.

conspiracy theory .... i have a question. if someone is penalized can appeal the decision? penalty is too big even if he has a history ....
now i start pray for rain only chance to do something. Grosjean should be suspended 10 races after he did this year.

[MSC07-JCGX]

from my view he braked early but cos the front locked up, the incident was decided, he did ruin verne race so i'd say a five place grid penalty would've been fair but 10 that's harsh, all we can do is look forward to the next race, singapore's performance was ok i guess, defo improved in someways, i'm sure he'll bounce back especially at suzuka good race track, the merc should do well here, and actually i hope michael starts on the prime tyre with the cars deg performance and go prime prime option stratergy, because the merc is fast on low fuel.

[zyphro]

The stewards seem to have a disliking contempt for repetitions of incidents (i.e Grosjean repeatedly getting involved with first lap collisions).

[schumifan]

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[schumifan]

guys how do you attach a photo when you post?

[FoxHound]

There's so much fail in this thread.

That's certain.

Ok fair point, there are many fail posts here. But then you write this?

the stewards took into acount a similar accident had already happened this year...

And was duly penalized and bore the consequences of that penalty.
If MS was in the group that cut across the turn at the start he'd have a drive through already. I am dead certain abut it.

You are suggesting now the FIA have it in for Schumacher as well as his own team?
I'm looking at the ten place grid penalty and I'm thinking... The FIA saw the telemetry of the incident along with the throttle data etc. and they penalised the driver, Not the team, for the drivers mistake.
Had the cars been reversed, you would almost certainly be berating vergne as an amateur.
I think Schumacher is capable of making such mistakes, you may however think he is perfect and beyond criticism. That is quite dangerous for perspective in my opinion.

[Dragonfly]

Every human being makes mistakes. Drivers are not robots. Stewards are also human beings last time I checked. This tendency for increasing penalization will byte them one day from behind. I don't say Schumacher didn't make a mistake, but increasing the penalty is not the right approach unless there is some goal to be chased.
And yes, I don't believe in fairness and professionalism of those who judge. They all are hanging on Bernie's strings.

[lillschumi]

i´m betting my F1tech account that there was no technical failure in MS crash. To me it was obvious that thoose in front had a tangle and had to brake hard/later. MS was not paying attention and in panic slammed it and locked up everything. So thoose in front braked with control=good friction on the tarmac and MS just skidded over the asphalt without decreasing the speed, hence why it looked weird.

I´m a fanboy but you have to realize he´s over the top. Age takes is toll and it´s time to retire. There might be glimses here and there but overall he is not performing to well. I have never had any high regards of NR but MS have problems getting on terms with half-descent driver.

A speculation could be that, Ross, Clear and some more who really can measure the perfromance in detail wants to get rid of MS, hence board/Norby see the marketing value and keeps him. You often see MS and Norby getting friendly sort of with each other, but rarly someone else in the team.

Edit:
It would actually be interesting to see a regarded fast driver in his prime in the Merc and see what he could do (Hamilton, Vettel, maybe Maldo).

[zyphro]

Lol, some of you may have short memories, however: I seem to remember Schumacher having real shocker races whilst racing in the midfield in his 'first career'. Nothing new.

If he fought at the front, none of this would hardly happen. Has it throughout the times he's fought there since he's comeback? Nope.

Most of the posts here are over-reactions. The guys made 2/3 mistakes this year - hardly major when you compare it to the number of problems on the teams end. There could be an element of being 'fed-up' in the lead up this weekend he appeared miserable the entire weekend quite frankly.

Asking Schumacher to retire? If that is the case, so too should Nico when you compare their relative performances this season.

[FoxHound]

Every human being makes mistakes. Drivers are not robots. Stewards are also human beings last time I checked. This tendency for increasing penalization will byte them one day from behind. I don't say Schumacher didn't make a mistake, but increasing the penalty is not the right approach unless there is some goal to be chased.
And yes, I don't believe in fairness and professionalism of those who judge. They all are hanging on Bernie's strings.

I agree driver's are not robots. But every driver is fallible. Hamilton had it hard, Maldonado is getting it, Grosjean got hammered and other drivers also sometimes go through the gauntlet. I dont think this can be left at Bernie's door to be honest.
I think it's just a simple mistake by Schumacher in an otherwise good season(relative to his team mate).
Mercedes have let him down on occasion, and it's natural he will let them down on occasion too.

[clipsy1H]

i´m betting my F1tech account that there was no technical failure in MS crash. To me it was obvious that thoose in front had a tangle and had to brake hard/later. MS was not paying attention and in panic slammed it and locked up everything. So thoose in front braked with control=good friction on the tarmac and MS just skidded over the asphalt without decreasing the speed, hence why it looked weird.

I´m a fanboy but you have to realize he´s over the top. Age takes is toll and it´s time to retire. There might be glimses here and there but overall he is not performing to well. I have never had any high regards of NR but MS have problems getting on terms with half-descent driver.

A speculation could be that, Ross, Clear and some more who really can measure the perfromance in detail wants to get rid of MS, hence board/Norby see the marketing value and keeps him. You often see MS and Norby getting friendly sort of with each other, but rarly someone else in the team.

Edit:
It would actually be interesting to see a regarded fast driver in his prime in the Merc and see what he could do (Hamilton, Vettel, maybe Maldo).

that's the most realistic message i ever seen on this thread. your right! Micheal its a great driver but at his age its hard to stay focus 2 hours and i'm sure after this incident he realized ... and before the race if he think to continue i'm sure after he change decision.

[schumifan]

doubt it schumacher is like a gladiator - he will fight till he dies to achieve something memorable

just my view of this man

[schumifan]

but i agree that it is a bit odd that he is 43 and making that sort of mistake more than once - age must have something to do with it - still think he has got to be worth having in the team though, surely?


even as a fan i believe the penalty is at least only fair, given the consequences for vergne

[Ganxxta]

guys how do you attach a photo when you post?

Upload it to a hosting site, post the link in img tags.
eg. http://abload.de/

[zyphro]

... but at his age its hard to stay focus 2 hours and i'm sure after this incident he realized ... .

Your posts are becoming more and more amusing (to say the least); keep making stuff up if it makes you feel any better.

I'm sure Rosberg has enjoyed being outperformed by someone who finds it "hard to stay focus[ed] [for] 2 hours", this season.