Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[munudeges]

Unless there was some mechanical failure then that's the end for Michael now, right there. He was far enough behind in the braking zone there to have completely avoided that accident.

[diego1960]

Christ, why do I bother? So MSC needs to retire because "age has probably something to do with it", he is "past it" and should be replaced by a top drover like Hamilton, Vettel or....Maldonado! We are talking about Maldonado who hasn't scored a point since Spain.
Curiously, I didn't see anyone calling for Maldonado or Grosjean, or even Petrov to retire when they made huge mistakes and caused big collisions. Maybe the problem is with Michael only? Unfortunately I think you will get your wish, and Hamilton will join Merc and effectively end his chances of ever being an all-time top 5 driver.

The real problem though is that the car is a dog, and the team do not look confident enough of their own abilities to turn the season around even in the last 6 races.

[munudeges]

He's in the same bracket as any other driver who is having consistent accidents, whether it be Grosjean, Maldonado or anyone else.

Fact is he's had previous. He ran into the back of Senna at Barcelona and exactly the same thing happened in Singapore last year. They simply shouldn't be happening. Anyone who is hanging on to the desperate idea that he's outperforming Rosberg is just seriously delusional. The writing is on the wall - in big, bold type.

[fiohaa]

He's in the same bracket as any other driver who is having consistent accidents, whether it be Grosjean, Maldonado or anyone else.

Fact is he's had previous. He ran into the back of Senna at Barcelona and exactly the same thing happened in Singapore last year. They simply shouldn't be happening. Anyone who is hanging on to the desperate idea that he's outperforming Rosberg is just seriously delusional. The writing is on the wall - in big, bold type.

..........put it on pole at monaco. The ultimate drivers circuit where the driver makes the biggest difference.

if you look at every race where both schumacher and rosberg have finished up to singapore, where they've had no problems, and where schumacher hasn't dnf'd from something that was out of his control........schumacher has scored more points.

so......the reason why people say hes outperforming rosberg.........is because he is. if you look at the evidence.

[clipsy1H]

... but at his age its hard to stay focus 2 hours and i'm sure after this incident he realized ... .

Your posts are becoming more and more amusing (to say the least); keep making stuff up if it makes you feel any better.

I'm sure Rosberg has enjoyed being outperformed by someone who finds it "hard to stay focus[ed] [for] 2 hours", this season.

i promise you that's the last time when i quote.

With all respect for Micheal (btw: i'm fan Schumi) and for all users on this forum (Schumcher fans or not) but how can you say Schumi outperformed Nico? even today Nico starts P10 and finish P5 .... today he beat Michael on track , Schumi can't keep pace with Nico and after 4-5 laps he was over 2 sec behind.
Nico win this year and was on podium (now you gonna tell me about car failures and partil you're right but let's talk about Barcelona when he crashed with Senna and missed opportunity to win at Monaco. We can also talk about Monza where Nico starts P7 and at end of the race almost beat Micheal. In last 2 years Nico finished ahead of him and same will do this year.
You'll probably tell me about qualifying but i said that! He's one of the best 1 lap driver. Please stop be a fanboy.
Will be good for everyone if Micheal leave but especially for him... don't want to watch another year how he continue to fail
Maybe team isn't good but Mercedes is the only option for him. We are naive if think he can go to Sauber McLaren or Ferrari. All this teams need a young talented drivers like Perez Di Resta or Hulk.

[zyphro]

... but at his age its hard to stay focus 2 hours and i'm sure after this incident he realized ... .

Your posts are becoming more and more amusing (to say the least); keep making stuff up if it makes you feel any better.

I'm sure Rosberg has enjoyed being outperformed by someone who finds it "hard to stay focus[ed] [for] 2 hours", this season.

i promise you that's the last time when i quote.

With all respect for Micheal (btw: i'm fan Schumi) and for all users on this forum (Schumcher fans or not) but how can you say Schumi outperformed Nico? even today Nico starts P10 and finish P5 .... today he beat Michael on track , Schumi can't keep pace with Nico and after 4-5 laps he was over 2 sec behind.
Nico win this year and was on podium (now you gonna tell me about car failures and partil you're right but let's talk about Barcelona when he crashed with Senna and missed opportunity to win at Monaco. We can also talk about Monza where Nico starts P7 and at end of the race almost beat Micheal. In last 2 years Nico finished ahead of him and same will do this year.
You'll probably tell me about qualifying but i said that! He's one of the best 1 lap driver. Please stop be a fanboy.
Will be good for everyone if Micheal leave but especially for him... don't want to watch another year how he continue to fail
Maybe team isn't good but Mercedes is the only option for him. We are naive if think he can go to Sauber McLaren or Ferrari. All this teams need a young talented drivers like Perez Di Resta or Hulk.

Take some much heeded advice: read before you submit your post.

[fiohaa]

I thought the team radio message we heard of michaels engineer saying something like 'what happened there?!' in a rather angry tone was shocking.

after all the failures merc have had with the car, and michael has been nothing but polite and not said a single bad word about the team ever, not once complained on radio ever.
and for his engineer to turn round and say immediately after he crashed........... unbelievable.

[marcush.]

He's in the same bracket as any other driver who is having consistent accidents, whether it be Grosjean, Maldonado or anyone else.

Fact is he's had previous. He ran into the back of Senna at Barcelona and exactly the same thing happened in Singapore last year. They simply shouldn't be happening. Anyone who is hanging on to the desperate idea that he's outperforming Rosberg is just seriously delusional. The writing is on the wall - in big, bold type.

let´s see how things pan out . I very much remember the likes of Vettel HAMILTON Button Webber comitting HUGE mistakes recently involving other drivers ...Remember Webber running over Kovalainen? Hamilton crashing into Button Vettel t-Boning Button etc etc.. --- happens AT ANY AGE. If Schumacher was a fault free zone I´d be happier but
fact is Schumacher outqualified Rosberg this year on a regular basis and when he didn´t this was the main point of the AntiSchumacher gang to be sure he is not up to it -if he ever was.This year nobody claims he is to slow ,but now he is
too old to concentrate or something....Put it this way you don´t like him ...that´s ok .He still is good enough to be in the top ten with a shitty car beating the coming hero of MGP...Or do they favour him -WHAT WAS THAT?- I´d say in this environment most other drivers would fail to make a decent start let alone outperform the younger driver in Q. certainly mr Sutil,Hulk ,diresta etc.

[zyphro]

I thought the team radio message we heard of michaels engineer saying something like 'what happened there?!' in a rather angry tone was shocking.

after all the failures merc have had with the car, and michael has been nothing but polite and not said a single bad word about the team ever, not once complained on radio ever.
and for his engineer to turn round and say immediately after he crashed........... unbelievable.

Indeed, I would've thought he'd ask something more appropriate (i.e referring to his condition from suffering from the impact).

There doesn't seem to be a proper 'personal' connection with MGP from what I can see; IMO. Compare that to Ferrari days.

[Ganxxta]

Now I actually really wish he would quit at the end of this season...

First Nico cutting the first chicane and overtaking 5 cars or more and landing right infront of schumacher (he was behind him before the chicane) -> that's how he got in front of him in the first place

Then after 4 laps the team is telling him to keeps distance to rosberg because they need to cool the car -> thats why he had 2+ sec to Rosberg after 4 laps but Kimi could do anything to overtake him could he?

Then this radio message
Don't know if it was his fault only, misjudgment, cold tires, mechanical error etc, but as an engineer you first have to ask how the driver is, especially after such a rather hard crash.

This team will not be better next year, max p4 again, I really don't believe its worth it just to finish always 6th+ no matter how hard you try and be laughed at when the car breaks down again due to technical issues or be harshly criticized when you make a mistake.

Remember, Vettel made mistakes this season (malaysia), Hamilton did some more last season, and they also count as THE top drivers...

[zyphro]

Remember, Vettel made mistakes this season (malaysia), Hamilton did some more last season, and they also count as THE top drivers...

Of course, however, when either of the aforementioned goes on to win a race, well, the rest is history.

[Pierce89]

He's in the same bracket as any other driver who is having consistent accidents, whether it be Grosjean, Maldonado or anyone else.

Fact is he's had previous. He ran into the back of Senna at Barcelona and exactly the same thing happened in Singapore last year. They simply shouldn't be happening. Anyone who is hanging on to the desperate idea that he's outperforming Rosberg is just seriously delusional. The writing is on the wall - in big, bold type.

In pure speed, they look fairly level, but Shumi, lately, (today excluded) seems to be lapping slightly quicker in the races than Nico. I do belive Micheal is trying too hard and overdriving, which causes mistakes. So...I'm saying the mistakes are Micheal's fault, but i don't believe they would've happened if the car was up to the level a Mercedes factory effort should be.

[ahmedvortex]

sad race for Schumacher , but people tend to over-zoom on him , the three mentioned crashes are not the same .

1 . Perez ( Singapore 2011 ) , Michael was on fresh tires and Perez brake too early while moving a bit to right , compare with the front car in the replay . ( you can pause on youtube .. )
2 . senna ( barcelone 2012 ) , senna was over-defending with no tires anymore , 1 lap before the crash he let Rosberg pass him at the same spot so easy ..., but with mike he (they) tend to sacrifice themselves .....
3 . Vergne ( havenopoor 2012 ) , rear brake problem in fp 2 and fp3 , for Schumacher ,knowing his team members ability to solve problems ., he was forced to lie ( like with previous big teams ) , he cant say i crashed my Mercedes amg , cause braking problem .

And about the points gap with Rosberg , i have a stat to give , 25 reliability problems for Schumacher since his comeback (fp+race) and only 4 for Rosberg ,3 in fp and 1 in suzuka 2011 race, so ..........

For the competitivity side , ask kimi , he was behind him in the last 3 races with only one overtake ( with no gears , and dying tires for mike )

[Pierce89]

3 . Vergne ( havenopoor 2012 ) , rear brake problem in fp 2 and fp3 , for Schumacher ,knowing his team members ability to solve problems ., he was forced to lie ( like with previous big teams ) , he cant say i crashed my Mercedes amg , cause braking problem .

I'm a big Shumi fan too, but he did blame it on a mechanical problem(implied)."The car wouldn't decelerate and I need to investigate the cause"

[ahmedvortex]

3 . Vergne ( havenopoor 2012 ) , rear brake problem in fp 2 and fp3 , for Schumacher ,knowing his team members ability to solve problems ., he was forced to lie ( like with previous big teams ) , he cant say i crashed my Mercedes amg , cause braking problem .

I'm a big Shumi fan too, but he did blame it on a mechanical problem(implied).

He was forced to lie to FIA , motorsport.nextgen-auto?com/Michael-Schumacher-issued-10-place-grid-penalty-for-Japanese-GP,49259.html