Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[Pierce89]

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OT: I agree mike made mistake and should be penalized, but the people saying Merc should dump him are going WAY OVERBOARD. When was the last time Nico looked properly quicker than Micheal?

last race... and i'm not saying merc should kick him out after singapore....

I don't remember Nico being much quicker than Mike. That being said, as Ben pointed out, neither driver has looked great really. Maybe the car isn't as bad as we all think.

[clipsy1H]

Has anyone proffered the idea that perhaps both Mercedes drivers aren't up to it? You have one who, no matter how you slice it, is quite old for F1, and then you have another whose highest praises generally came during his rookie season and who hasn't exactly set the world on fire since then.

Is it possible the team is being let down by its drivers rather than the other way around? Just throwin' that out there.

very interesting ... i;d like to see next year Hamilton-Massa/Di Resta and Rosberg at Ferrari or McLaren but Nico will remain for sure ... they need a German driver.

@price also at Monza Nico was quicker if we check times

[schumifan]

Is it possible the team is being let down by its drivers rather than the other way around? Just throwin' that out there.

no chance because to be fair one of them is Michael Schumacher - I do not mean to be funny dude, but this is the same driver who won the 1996 Spanish GP and made it look like a toddlers playground (and in a car that was arguably not worthy of being on a formula one grid for its performance issues never mind its malfunction during this specific event). He may be 43, but on most days with the right car he is the man - we all know what has stood in his way this year from keeping him being inside the top 5 of the driver standings.

he may be 43 and a little slower or whatever - but this is still a great driver, at least that is what i believe - he is still capable of special things and a good few 'special' things would have occurred this year had he been given half a chance.

and no they are fine with those two drivers because, if you just keep an eye, where both cars in the same team normally line up on the same row on tracks like china and monza amongst a few others, you constantly see the boys in the same tenth of a second as they have extracted the maximum from the car. so, again, no, both current drivers are adequate, including michael.

yeah i am sure that as lewis is, like michael, arguably one of the fastest drivers ever to grace a formula one car, he could get some more performance from the car as he is 27 and mike is 43, but it would not be enough, or regularly enough to shout about i expect.

on another note i must say that there were a couple of races this year where we witnessed rainy conditions and you could see that michael was for taking a race win if on sunday all was to be wet or if qualy that day stayed wet

i am saying that i have seen ON EVERY OCCASION this year, that when it was properly wet michael was the fastest man no question and was for taking pole and a win in those conditions. i know that 100% and i felt reassured of his capabilities in this sense at least when i saw that

please forgive the ramble guys

[marcush.]

You sure have eyes to watch ?
You can see that in China when the car was at its best or Monaco the drivers had the speed to win no doubt about it.

My impression is -rubbish uninspired strategy calls not based on realistic gauging of the capacity of the car under the conditions,no splitting of chances using different strategy calls on both cars.
Lousy reliability on Michaels side of the garage and also compromising rosberg at times.
the car losing it´s speed tying to gain tyre consistency and late introduction of coanda exhaust -slow development rate .

Looking at the teams we can say:All teams have hit a bleak patch setupwise this year one time minmum .All teams have struggled to make all their updates work -latest victims Ferrari and Sauber .At the start of the year it was ferrari and RedBull who had bad correlation.Under these conditions it´s double wammy to have only few updates -the risk of not hitting the sweet spot seems incrdibly high

[yener]

Cant believe that people really blaming Michael for the poor results.
Ok he maybe made a mistake or maybe two but now pointing all the fingers on Michael and saying he is a bad guy?
If some one is to blame its for Ross Brawn. His strategy doesnt work. He was a genius at Benneton and Ferrari but things changed since then.
I dont want to defend Michael Schumacher but come on. Believe me his loosing his patient and he drives on positions he doesnt belong. Thay guy is loosing his mind being stuck in the midfield and his car is dissapointing him everytime.
When he finally has the pace some idiot like Grosjean will crash him out of the race or some idiot at the pit team wont be able to put on a wheel not decently.
In Michael's position i would seriously consider either to leave f1 or the MGP team.

[zyphro]

You can see that in China when the car was at its best or Monaco the drivers had the speed to win no doubt about it.

This - give them the competitive machinery and they'll bring home 1-2's you betcha'.

[Debs]

Does anyone know who was the person on Michael s radio? I felt he was Ross.........Also lets see today what news comes out of the board meeting from Mercedes AMG group......

[MGPW03]

Does anyone know who was the person on Michael s radio? I felt he was Ross.........Also lets see today what news comes out of the board meeting from Mercedes AMG group......

Not the definite answer, but first he was identified as Pollock and then as Bonnington. And it is mentioned in comments of this youtube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_gMYOXJksg

[snoop1050]

wouldnt this be bonnington http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Y0oOx7V0Q
and imo it doesnt sound like the same voice...

sounds more like james corden than any of them

[Vasconia]

You can see that in China when the car was at its best or Monaco the drivers had the speed to win no doubt about it.

This - give them the competitive machinery and they'll bring home 1-2's you betcha'.

Absolutely true. Give a competitive car to these guys and they will bring a lot of 1-2s. Nico is very complicated to beat in a clean race and we all know who is Michael when he has a fast car. Two good examples, well the only ones we have, China and Monaco, without the mistakes both drivers would have reached the podium.

[FoxHound]

You can see that in China when the car was at its best or Monaco the drivers had the speed to win no doubt about it.

This - give them the competitive machinery and they'll bring home 1-2's you betcha'.

Absolutely true. Give a competitive car to these guys and they will bring a lot of 1-2s. Nico is very complicated to beat in a clean race and we all know who is Michael when he has a fast car. Two good examples, well the only ones we have, China and Monaco, without the mistakes both drivers would have reached the podium.

Why stop at Rosberg and Schumacher? Any driver on the grid bar karthikeyan, would win a competitive car.

[Vasconia]

Why stop at Rosberg and Schumacher? Any driver on the grid bar karthikeyan, would win a competitive car.

I have mentioned a competitive car, not a car which is 2 seconds faster than the rest of the field.

Both drivers can win a championship with a competitive car, this is not the case of other drivers.

[FoxHound]

Both drivers can win a championship with a competitive car, this is not the case of other drivers.

Oh is that so? How is that not the case with other drivers, please can you point to me what makes Rosberg and Schumacher so superior to the others?
Last I checked Alonso leads the wdc in a car that is not the best on the grid.

[Vasconia]

Both drivers can win a championship with a competitive car, this is not the case of other drivers.

Oh is that so? How is that not the case with other drivers, please can you point to me what makes Rosberg and Schumacher so superior to the others?
Last I checked Alonso leads the wdc in a car that is not the best on the grid.

I have said other drivers not the entire field. In my opinion there are only some drivers who can win with a car which has the same pace as other top cars, the majority needs a better can, and to win with a worse car is something that can be done only by Schumi(when he was a little bit younger), Alonso and perhaps Hamilton. Consistency is quite important, and in this aspect Lewis fails a little bit.

[Cocles]

Supposedly there was a board meeting today back in Germany, has anyone found any news about it?