Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[schumifan]

i like how this is quite balanced and would appear to suggest michael may just stay where he is

i like the top comment about michael never hiding and taking his helmet off after a bad punch

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/new ... u-decision

sorry guys i meant to put this in

doh!!!!

[FoxHound]

@ marcush
You say Mercedes have zero value without Schumacher, but that he is advertising a second rate product.
I think Having Schumacher in the team is a double edged sword for this team. Why? Because they receive more coverage and money for him, for sure.
But look at the level of abuse and flak they have taken because of having him. Here are a few beauties:

its blatantly obvious mercedes doesnt have any hardcore fans of its own

Mercedes team culture is that of laid back bureaucrats and not that of a professional team.

brawn is probably wondering if he can get rid of schumacher and save his own ass

I´d love to see schumi leave this team as soon as possible. That will be the moment when i´m not interested anymore .

yea i'd be happy if he left merc let some other mug join them....

I just pray he doesnt take on an ambassador role for merc they dont deserve him in any role

This last quote is indicative of the hatred towards the team. It shows lack of understanding, lack of perspective and a real lack of maturity. When the team screws up, a torrent of abuse is hurled at it. Schumacher screws up and there are brake "brake issues", "deceleration issues" and all sorts of issues to deflect the flak from driver to team.
It is a considerable flaw to have debate when the dice is loaded like this. I'm no fan of Schumacher, but I do appreciate his achievements. I think he is a legend and deserves his credit. What he does not deserve however is being worshipped like someone who is immune to criticism, and any faults drowned out in the clamour to burn this team.
It is evident, Schumacher fans are using Mercedes as a scapegoat because the sad fact is, he cannot win in a mediocre car.
Rosberg however, did.
And this rankles with the MSC faithful. Sure the team made some mistakes, but I doubt much more than McLaren have.
If he manages a win with a Merc, I will bet my bottom dollar the MSC faithful will be banging on about what a deity he is and how wonderful his flatulence smells, all the time forgetting the actual machine he won it in.

My view is Mercedes don't need Schumacher, IF they can land Vettel or Hamilton. Schumacher however, needs this team. Ferrari is a big no no, Red Bull have 2 drivers signed for 2013, and Ron Dennis would rather eat broken glass than employ him. This leaves Sauber and Lotus. Lotus will not pay MSC's demands, and already have Raikkonen and a very fast Grosjean. Sauber is his only other realistic destination, as it is based round the corner from where MSC lives in Switzerland, and Peter Sauber can spend the extra sponsorship from having him, directly to him.
But where where Sauber in Singapore? And where do they sit on the WCC standings?

[tomaswrx]

wait till the end of the season. Sauber could easily be sitting in fifth position in wdc by then.

[Adamski]

So it looks like Schumacher again needs to retire because of his team doesn't want him. What a real drama it would be.

How do you interpret that the team does not want him?

Did you read the Autosport interview?

Brawn said: "It's still under discussion, I'm afraid. I can't comment very much on that, but Michael's been a huge asset to the team, he's really taken us forward."I do think Michael contributes an awful lot, so I think the decision for Michael to stay or not continue is a difficult one. Obviously he's very involved in that decision, and discussions are ongoing at the moment

Schumacher is still very much part of Mercedes plans. He brings good performances and attracts sponsors which contribute to the pushing the team forward.
I fail to see how, where, and why Mercedes AMG have said they do not want him, or have even intimated as much.

I fail to see a case that allows MGP to have a reason to kick him out - they ruined his season, by not being able to provide a reliable car.

Maybe I read too much into the details. I understand that Mercedes should look for a great talent as Schumacher is too old to build on him in longer terms. What is makes me very angry is a not proven fact that Mercedes waiting for Hamilton's decision. If Hamilton thinks he need a new adventure than Michael will be kicked-off. That would be a tragic and that is why I said Mercedes do not want any more Michael.

Schumi is now just a pawn in the chess table. He doesn't deserved it.

I know all of it is just speculation and we do not know the truth but the news are just embarrassing for me!

[Dragonfly]

@FoxHound
So putting together a compilation of a single forumer quotes is a representation of the reaction of the masses?
And while it may be true I suppose about 3/4 of the current supporters will abandon Mercedes together with Michael. But will not stop firing flak on them, on the contrary. Also, the ever spineless media will soon change their target and possibly capitalize on the unfairness of Merc action. Especially if the awaited Messiah fails to deliver.

[marcush.]

Mercedes cannot afford to lose Schumacher to another team -as he could potentially be successful there and they could be trailing him...that´s called sudden death ..

The truth is:they had two years now to call it quits with him -sympathy has only turned towards schumacher since he found his speed again.

I believe without Schumacher the team would not exist anymore Daimler would have closed that book already last year but the hope of Schumacher turning around his messy comeback to success was helping keep the fire lit in the media in a somewhat positive anticipation.

Reviewing the tv coverage it is amazing to see that schumachers initially is losing ground to Raikkonen behind him ,the gap decreases ..so it is fai to say Schumacher did indeed brake earlier than Kimi but the gap increased into the braking zone again even though the fronts are completely locked .Interestingly the rears are not locked up totally ,but on the verge of adhesion -you can see the car getting a little sideways ....
Schumacher running the prime tyre and all around him the option may indicate there was a difference in brakepotential .
The storys about to much speed into the corner or sleeping are just crap.

[Cocles]

its blatantly obvious mercedes doesnt have any hardcore fans of its own on various forums

Eh-- what? You know that's not true. We have several here, let alone on other more Mercedes themed forums.

[OppositeLock]

I believe without Schumacher the team would not exist anymore Daimler would have closed that book already last year but the hope of Schumacher turning around his messy comeback to success was helping keep the fire lit in the media in a somewhat positive anticipation.

You should read some of the latest headlines in the German press. Schumacher is taking a huge hit for his latest blunders. There is no way that Schumacher is bigger than Mercedes AMG. If he or the public believe it then it is time for Schumacher to go. They might as well sign Ralf if they need the Schumacher name for marketing purposes.

[FoxHound]

So putting together a compilation of a single forumer quotes is a representation of the reaction of the masses?

Not at all, I'm not saying everyone. I credit you for actually being able to clearly state that MSC made a mistake.
But there is almost a witchunt to blame Mercedes for even Schumacher's own faults.

And while it may be true I suppose about 3/4 of the current supporters will abandon Mercedes together with Michael.

I disagree with that assertion. MS is a big fish in a small pond(F1). Mercedes are a bigger entity globally, and have a growing following of their own. Point is, you can actually buy into them, the same is not true of MS other than a few baseball caps etc.

But will not stop firing flak on them, on the contrary.

Maybe, if it is deserved.

Also, the ever spineless media will soon change their target and possibly capitalize on the unfairness of Merc action. Especially if the awaited Messiah fails to deliver.

Hamilton will not be at Mercedes in 2013, I would stake a large sum on it. Hamilton is using Mercedes to leverage into a better paydeal with McLaren probably until MSC decides to call it quits, and THEN make the move to Merc.
Schumacher still has his magic, he just needs the car to come good, and it will come good in time. The question is whether Schumacher thinks he has enough time.

[clipsy1H]

Everything now depends on Lewis. He has offer from Mercedes so if he accepts Micheal will be forced to leave.
We can say that Schumacher's future depends to Hamilton and sure Lewis wants to humiliate him ........

[marcush.]

I believe without Schumacher the team would not exist anymore Daimler would have closed that book already last year but the hope of Schumacher turning around his messy comeback to success was helping keep the fire lit in the media in a somewhat positive anticipation.

You should read some of the latest headlines in the German press. Schumacher is taking a huge hit for his latest blunders. There is no way that Schumacher is bigger than Mercedes AMG. If he or the public believe it then it is time for Schumacher to go. They might as well sign Ralf if they need the Schumacher name for marketing purposes.

well ilive actually in the DAI world of sorts.You really believe anyone is proud of what´s delivered by MGP? Schumacher is the asset .Only when MGP starts to deliver wins on a constant basis they can drop him.
Will Hamilton be able to win constantly with the current machinery? ...W03 is aruably 6or 7 best car on the grid at best and Lewis would not achieved much more interms of points yet.

[mep]

No question Schumacher looked bad last weekend even though there could be still a technical reason for the accident. But nonetheless I see here a pretty useless discussion. Yes Mercedes GP can exist without Schumacher but nobody would take any note of that team. It is only because of Schumacher that the majority of the people are interested in this teams fortune at all. Also I can’t see Hamilton being that stupid to leave McLaren, a team who has proven to be top for 14 years, to go to Mercedes GP who keeps failing each single weekend.

[fiohaa]

It is evident, Schumacher fans are using Mercedes as a scapegoat because the sad fact is, he cannot win in a mediocre car.
Rosberg however, did.

you know id expect more educated opinions from people on this kind of forum.

what...the race where schumi was running 2nd and his wheel fell off yeh?
the race...right at the beginning of the year when teams were still trying to understand tyres, it was cold, and the track suited the merc to a tea.
and then look at all the results since yeh? on all the other tracks which havent suited the Merc?

well okay, lets look at all the results since China.

- Bahrain - had to come from the back of the grid after a gearbox penalty to get in the points, and DRS failure in quali. Most likely would have finished up either behind or infront of Nico without that.

- Spain - had better race pace than Rosberg, ran into the back of Senna. Schumi's fault, Senna did move...in the braking zone. Got no penalty. Schumi gets 5 place grid drop for what was totally a racing incident.

- Monaco - sticks it on pole. On a circuit which is easily the biggest test of driver in the entire calendar, and where the driver makes the biggest difference. Would have almost certainly won from pole without the ridiculous 5 place drop. Was running very well and would have most likely ended up 4th or 5th, before another car failure.

- Canada, another DRS failure. Not his problem.

- Europe - totally outraces Rosberg, manages the tyres better (tyres which schumi hates..and probably still does remember).

- Britain - outraces Rosberg again.

- Germany - and again.

- Hungary...another car failure.

- Spa - outraces Rosberg again

- Monza - got the best out the car. Rosberg had to come back from a grid drop. Equal performance.

- Singapore - brain fail from Schumi (although it looked like total car failure...).........and takes an absolutely ludicrous 10 place grid drop. Serving a double punishment for an incident in Spain.......which he had already served punishment for! insane.

So lets see, thats 11 races since Bahrain. 5 retirements, 2 of which were of his own doing. And in the other races, he outpaces Rosberg.

This is a 43 year old man, beating his much admired, much younger teammate.

theres a reason why im a schumi fan, and hes demonstrated why, yet again, this year.

Brawn is the one that called Schumi. It was built around Mercedes, and its star driver, a 7 times world champ. Mercedes would be idiots to lose that, and to even compound the rumours the way Brawn has is shocking, it shows massive disloyalty towards Michael, rather than standing firmly beside him.

that is why people here have every right to slate the team, rather than michael. Michael has done Zero wrong, looking at the evidence. It seems to me that Merc are looking for a scapegoat for their total failure this past 3 years, and have found it in Michael.

[snoop1050]

you forget malaysia where schumacher was 3rd until grosjean sent msc to the back of the field.
schumacher still managed to finish 28seconds infront of nico

[FoxHound]

you know id expect more educated opinions from people on this kind of forum........
....... Michael has done Zero wrong

I'm afraid you are too biased my friend. Mercedes have publicly apologised for their errors, and even went to the lengths of employing someone to specifically watch what happens to his car whilst being set up, so as to rule out foul play. What happened after? A reliable W03.
I'm not excusing the team, it was poor form. But, you still maintain micheal "has done zero wrong". In that case may I suggest you watch the Singapore gp rerun?