Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[wunderkind]

Until someone actually posts a source, it should be acknowledged that this is treating speculation as fact. Marcush flat out says that these are only his own opinions, yet they're treated like quotes from autosport.com.

Lauda above Haug? Come on. Even at face value, that's just not true. So Lauda is in charge of the DTM team as well?

Lauda is a consultant for the F1 team and nothing more. Non-executive.

Haug looks after All the motorsport activities of Mercedes Benz. Lauda is only the non-exec chairman of the Petronas Mercedes-AMG F1 Team. No way Lauda is above Haug in the chain of command.

[Raptor22]

Below, I have bolded the bit that I think you are missing about Lauda's appointment:

A statement by Mercedes said that Lauda will "bring his extensive experience to the role of non-executive chairman of the team's board of directors, further reinforcing the strength in depth at Mercedes AMG Petronas."

In other words, he's a consultant. He will have no authority over anyone and I doubt he will be required at all the meetings they have (although may choose to and quite possibly will be welcomed to attend more than required). And I could see his consulting role quite possibly be limited to FIA and FOM and CVC/Ecclestone contact only, in light of his apparent recent success in getting a deal signed to effectively keep Mercedes in F1 and, judging by his appointment, on terms they aren't unhappy with.

In all, I think your concerns are a bit premature.

Seems Lauda is more of a consultant for the DB AG Board of Directors. A BS filter by any other name...

[Cocles]

It'd be nice if the other Schumacher fans in this thread would allow themselves to be just a little bit mad at Michael Schumacher too. You know what's worse than Michael Schumacher not racing in F1 anymore? Having to partially blame him for it. It sucks, and it's so much easier and feels so much better to just blame everybody else. Mercedes has been far from perfect, but it takes two to tango.

It's called the halo effect. It's tough to let our heroes share the blame.

Mercedes and Schumacher have both made a lot of mistakes.

[FoxHound]

[They sure must have talked about the reasons why Jenson decided to go..He sure got insight what mclaren thought about MGPs efficiency in developing cars etcetc.

I'm sorry this is just wrong. Button has ZERO experience of how Mercedes GP does things, not a single one.
Button left Brawn/Honda, who did nothing much during his previous 5 seasons there, to McLaren, a perennial winning team.
Button did not leave some sort of powerhouse team to join a small fractious squad, he did the opposite Marcush, and you should appreciate 95% of drivers would have done the same thing given the opportunity.

You conveniently ommit the important details ther:

Schumacher was convinced by:Daimler buying the whole lot - his whole career was supported and started with the help of Them.
He was approached by Brawn-a guy he has to trust as he was a key memeber of all his success in Formula 1 -at least he thought he was.
And he joined a team that just had bagged two championships .
He had no real internal knowledge of formula 1 at that time -having been out for some years

You are playing with a loaded dice again Marcush. I did not conveniently forget anything....I responded to this quote, which you in turn responded too.

Only a suicidal kind of a person or one with little professional and life experience would commit to naked promises.

This is plain and simple BS. Schumacher's career was helped along nicely by Mercedes who even paid to have put into a Jordan 20 odd years ago. The start of great things for Schumi. I wonder, how would it have panned out had Schumacher not the luxury of Mercedes backing? The spotlight would not be so well lit I would imagine, and the road into F1 alot more rocky....perhaps you could strike a couple of titles off his wonderful career without this luxury? Maybe, who knows.
Mercedes on the other hand started out blind. Brawn sold them a lemon, but it is of little difference now.
I see Mercedes fans keep posting about how the factory has been changed since 2010. And they do have a point, Merc buy lemon, Stuttgart get peeved, Stuttgart send money, Factory upgraded, Staff get hired etc. etc.
Now why should Mercedes be blamed for Schumacher's a) return b) his perfomances over 3 years and c) his departure?
It smacks of sour grapes from his fans. And it's a shame, because he is a great driver with his reputation still intact.

[marcush.]

to shed some light :

"It takes a small load off the
CEO and helps to better define the CEO role as an employee of the board, instead of its
boss."

http://content.spencerstuart.com/sswebs ... ne0108.pdf


In effect Lauda is a sign of separating Management and Board .He is there to gauge the performance of the business and decide on compensations .
Very interstingly Lauda has already left his role in stating Changes have to be made to the team...He is more like the seat of the pants DO type of guy -not a chairman coming up with an Agenda ...

The funny thing is :he is put in place by Zetsche ...not Brawn not Fry or Haug....who would be the logical persons to entrust this work to him -easing their life as they can concentrate on running the show.

[Raptor22]

It'd be nice if the other Schumacher fans in this thread would allow themselves to be just a little bit mad at Michael Schumacher too. You know what's worse than Michael Schumacher not racing in F1 anymore? Having to partially blame him for it. It sucks, and it's so much easier and feels so much better to just blame everybody else. Mercedes has been far from perfect, but it takes two to tango.

It's called the halo effect. It's tough to let our heroes share the blame.

Mercedes and Schumacher have both made a lot of mistakes.

The only thing that annoys me about Schumacher is his trust and loyalty to people he believe to be deserving of that trust.
Ross Brawn has proven himself to be non trustworthy.
Mercedes GP has proven itself to be a team not committed to the older German driver. The mechanics almost rejoicing at his China retirement a case in point. Anyone remember the fat mechanic trying to yank a DRS flap off his rear wing.
Fans just seem to be too eagre to lap up the printings of the press. The truth about what goes on in Formula 1 is much more than that.
Mercedes G have been engineering the Hamilton move for much of 2012. Hamilton has made it known to them that he is interested in leaving McLaren since last year. This move did not happen due to Schumacher's "dithering". This move has been carefully engineered.
All Schumacher asked was for time to make up his own mind about his future. Hamilton would have resigned with McLaren but that as never going to happen. Schumacher taking his time to decide was due to finally experiencing conflict between his loyalty and personal values and "way things work in F1".
I am pretty sure MGP never spoke to Schumacher about Hamilton joining. That's just the usual PR BS to control what fans are thinking. MGP wants to create a "look we're the happy family" environment when it's been abundantly clear that Schumacher has been an outside since last season already.
He was used and its disappointing that he allowed himself to be used in most obtuse way. Essentially a cash cow to attract attention to a brand that has a poor technical history in the sport.
Well he wanted to give something back which means being used. A real pity because if he has remained a Ferrari ambassador he would still be hailed as an icon.
Now Mercedes has two youngish drivers who will bring the brand to a younger set of buyers. Mission accomplished. Schumacher no longer needed. Cheers, thanks for helping out, now P*ss off.


PS Marc, Lauda is an anti BS filter. Nothing more

[OppositeLock]

It'd be nice if the other Schumacher fans in this thread would allow themselves to be just a little bit mad at Michael Schumacher too. You know what's worse than Michael Schumacher not racing in F1 anymore? Having to partially blame him for it. It sucks, and it's so much easier and feels so much better to just blame everybody else. Mercedes has been far from perfect, but it takes two to tango.

It's called the halo effect. It's tough to let our heroes share the blame.

Mercedes and Schumacher have both made a lot of mistakes.

The only thing that annoys me about Schumacher is his trust and loyalty to people he believe to be deserving of that trust.
Ross Brawn has proven himself to be non trustworthy.
Mercedes GP has proven itself to be a team not committed to the older German driver. The mechanics almost rejoicing at his China retirement a case in point. Anyone remember the fat mechanic trying to yank a DRS flap off his rear wing.
Fans just seem to be too eagre to lap up the printings of the press. The truth about what goes on in Formula 1 is much more than that.
Mercedes G have been engineering the Hamilton move for much of 2012. Hamilton has made it known to them that he is interested in leaving McLaren since last year. This move did not happen due to Schumacher's "dithering". This move has been carefully engineered.
All Schumacher asked was for time to make up his own mind about his future. Hamilton would have resigned with McLaren but that as never going to happen. Schumacher taking his time to decide was due to finally experiencing conflict between his loyalty and personal values and "way things work in F1".
I am pretty sure MGP never spoke to Schumacher about Hamilton joining. That's just the usual PR BS to control what fans are thinking. MGP wants to create a "look we're the happy family" environment when it's been abundantly clear that Schumacher has been an outside since last season already.
He was used and its disappointing that he allowed himself to be used in most obtuse way. Essentially a cash cow to attract attention to a brand that has a poor technical history in the sport.
Well he wanted to give something back which means being used. A real pity because if he has remained a Ferrari ambassador he would still be hailed as an icon.
Now Mercedes has two youngish drivers who will bring the brand to a younger set of buyers. Mission accomplished. Schumacher no longer needed. Cheers, thanks for helping out, now P*ss off.


PS Marc, Lauda is an anti BS filter. Nothing more

News from an inside source? Amazing! fantasy.
If your story is true then it points out the genius of Ross Brawn. A master stroke. =D>

[marcush.]

Lauda ,as much as like him -is actually a BS producer of the highest level...at least in german TV ...closely followed by Christian Danner ....very rarely Exdrivers make for good TV hosts..

[Raptor22]

if all depends who is paying him. but I'll subscribe to that.

[Dragonfly]

So micheal was suicidal when he joined mercedes? Or did he lack life experience?
And if this team lacks passion to win, why did micheal stay for 3 year?
To "pump up his bank account"?

Your argument has so many holes in it, that it makes a sieve look positively water tight.

Sorry, mate. It's a waste of time arguing with you. You either don't get it at all, or more probably play dumb and resort to semantics just out of childish ambition. Seen too many like you to expect a normal conversation.

[Ganxxta]

Lauda is an interesting individual

Michael can no longer keep up with the young guys...

But then again

Michael is not too old for F1...

Reminds me of his RTL interviews -.-

Link1
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Sorry german only

[marcush.]

Lauda is indeed interesting -and poisonous for Daimler -they will rue that decision quite early and that´s Zetsche AND the kings at MGP methinks...let the games start....

His answer when asked why he was so outspoken after his plane crashing down in thailand -to the horror of Boeing and Lufthansa
was simply :I am I and not Lufthansa or Boeing ,it´s my way of dealing with what has happened and Honestly i don´t care..
He spread his own views to the public then even before investigations had started properly.

[FoxHound]

So micheal was suicidal when he joined mercedes? Or did he lack life experience?
And if this team lacks passion to win, why did micheal stay for 3 year?
To "pump up his bank account"?

Your argument has so many holes in it, that it makes a sieve look positively water tight.

Sorry, mate. It's a waste of time arguing with you. You either don't get it at all, or more probably play dumb and resort to semantics just out of childish ambition. Seen too many like you to expect a normal conversation.

So your points are overcome, and you resort to the above rhetoric? What is dumb or childish about pointing it out that your view is so biased in favour of Schumacher that the thread fails to become "Mercedes team thread" and is overcome by overly sensitive Schumacher fanatics. There is no point arguing that it isn't. Because the evidence is already here, on this thread.

Heaven forbid he joins Sauber, because I can see Sauber team thread being deluged with stinging criticism at every turn. If he goes to Ferrari? Alonso will shred him into timely retirement, but no doubt because Alonso is favoured right? Schumacher is like Barclay card ...according to some of his fans. Never his fault, and for everything else theres an excuse.

[ninogenio]

@foxhound,

for the first time since friday you finally got something right, schumacher can do no wrong end of really!

[FoxHound]

@foxhound,

for the first time since friday you finally got something right, schumacher can do no wrong end of really!

You make my point for me. =D> (sarcastic applause)