Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[Shrieker]

It also hates low-speed tracks, and mid-speed tracks.

This so very much reminds me of BAR-Honda's from 2001-2002. Hamilton might very well not win a single race ever again and end up JV vol.2.

[SchumiSutil]

Yes, this sum up well the past three years. The upgrades are downgrades at first, it takes them 3 races at least to fine tune theirs developpements. The same happened in Valencia 2010 with the blown exhaust, then it was the F-Duct that was causing problem. In 2011 they spend lot of time resolving cooling issues and DRS glitches, not to forget that they lost 3 to 4 months in the exhaust developpement, copying Red Bull style only late July while Mclaren did that for the first GP...

And I don't speak about the usual comment "we did not make the tyre work properly"... A good remainder of the Bar/Honda time.

Performance wise, this car is the worst since the new regulations. Mclaren, Red Bull, Ferrari, Lotus, Sauber and Williams have build better cars.
Mclaren/Ferrari/Red Bull you could admit, but they never shown during this 3 years any sign of getting closer to them, as we reasonably could have expected for such a brand. Lotus did that, and finaly Schumacher would have had more success comming back with the team that raised him on top : Renault then Lotus.

[clipsy1H]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103133
Michael

Perhaps I could have made it through to Q3, because the data showed that I lost two tenths in Turn 11 [the hairpin] because of traffic, but I wasn't quite sure what Hamilton was doing ahead of me

[FoxHound]

It also hates low-speed tracks, and mid-speed tracks.

I'm trying to think what was unique about China and Monaco that allowed them to extrapolate the pace out of the car. We know they led in 2011 with the W02, so they certainly have some form at this specific track.

[FoxHound]

they simply were lucky when in Spa both saubers were wiped out in the first corner ...

I guess Sauber is Lucky Mercedes fouled up too, if you look at it that way. Mercedes have suffered more DNF's while in the points.

[ninogenio]

has any of you guys read the article in the f1sa where mclaren machanics have said lewis has suddenly became a little too interested in the way the mclaren exhaust works and he has started studying technical telemetry.

http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=co ... Itemid=157

[Glyn]

As i have stated before, they have given up on this season long time ago. The upgrades will be tuned and working to the end of the season at best. It took RB, Ferrari a couple of tests and races to sort out how they wanted the design. MGP probably needs whole 2013 to sort coanda.

As normal there should also be some stupid statement from Brawn, "Aldo working with 2013´s car and Willis on the 2014" sems to fit MGP operations , what´s up with that?, it seems so idiotic. I guess they have splitted the workforce also so instead of going all in for one season they now do 2 half decent solution.

I see an excuse for 2013 saying "maybe splitting the resources was not such good idea" when car turns out ---.

Do anyone actually know how much the engineer staff have been cycled?, is it still the same engineers as 3 years ago or do they have some new talent?. Three kings to me means nothing, i think the great ideas comes further back in
organization. So if there is not more talent there now i would expect next years be as bad as previous + a heavy management.

Look at Sauber and FI no, they don´t have any fancy names fronting but i bet there are some brilliant engineers behind the CAD stations.

I saw Geoff Willis in "inside Grand Prix", it was comical, they guy could barly read off the teleprompter. It´s soo much anger one have against this team, sorry it comes out in this forum but i bet a GT3 team would run the show better.

Fire Brawn + they should never hired the rejects Costa, Willis and probably Bell. Keep Elliot, assign Symmonds and go on a recruitment spree across the globe to find young talented engineers not involved in the F1 business. Recruit some decent race engineers to get rid of the jokes currently. START FROM FRESH, hell they should even move the whole operation to Germany to really get rid of the old bagage.

Last note, look at Schumacher, the guy is really beaten but he really tries to restore his legacy. Im actually worried, i think he might go the same way as Senna.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d3tOH7J6SQ[/youtube]

1:22 - LOL

[timbo]

It also hates low-speed tracks, and mid-speed tracks.

I'm trying to think what was unique about China and Monaco that allowed them to extrapolate the pace out of the car. We know they led in 2011 with the W02, so they certainly have some form at this specific track.

Well, this may well be a coincidence (although their form in China was good @2010 IIRC). But right now, I think the hectic start of the season when teams were getting grips with the tyres and setup meant that pretty much anyone could have a lucky break. I have impression that the car is not a big step forward compared to W02. And the team once again loses out on a development which was also the case in the Brawn year.

[Debs]

What has happened to this team. At least in the previous two seasons they maintained their 4th position. By the looks of thing sauber has gone ahead and we are competing with Force india. Horrible . i guess lewis is in for a big shock in the coming seasons. China was flash in a pan. What i fail to understand is that Ferrari and Mercedes are both financial power houses still the later has been unable to develop a consistently performing car. Ferrari were nowhere when the season began but are still on their way to win the drivers championship. What else can i say, its all well documented after every weekends interview of ross brawn " we are still developing, understanding etc".....

[Huntresa]

What has happened to this team. At least in the previous two seasons they maintained their 4th position. By the looks of thing sauber has gone ahead and we are competing with Force india. Horrible . i guess lewis is in for a big shock in the coming seasons. China was flash in a pan. What i fail to understand is that Ferrari and Mercedes are both financial power houses still the later has been unable to develop a consistently performing car. Ferrari were nowhere when the season began but are still on their way to win the drivers championship. What else can i say, its all well documented after every weekends interview of ross brawn " we are still developing, understanding etc".....

Being a big car marque isnt as big advantage as it once was, especially not in this economic climate. Atm its almost better being just a race team cause you have no other worries then to get your race team to function and not a race team, an engine supplier and a big car company etc etc

[marcush.]

even inside the three pointed star doors there is a special name to it:
"youth research"
lots of enthusiasm ,lots of reasoning and discussion , not much in terms of demonstrable information or results..but somehow it seems to work.
Unfortunatelly only sometimes and there are many theories around why it works -when it works....
To me they don´t really undertstand their own product well enough to develop it further -either their first iteration is also the maximum of its potential -a perfect product development with the little flaw the potential is just not enough to compete at the very front-in other words the basic concept does not allow for more.
Or they don´t understand how to adress the weak points of their designs.
I have written somewhere else that I think mastering the use of MD simulation is key to tyre modeling as well as flexible aero and things like coanda exhaust as these involve more than CFD or Stress analysis ,there is an interaction of several phenomenons which cannot be simulated simply one after another hoping to arrive at usable results.

[marcush.]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103163

Even considering it´s pr blabla -does nobody at least take a look over what oficial statements are provided to the press?

golden moments- our progress is shaded by the progress others have made.. (others develop quicker than us)

we have learned a lot and know about our weaknesses......(but it did not help us to get quicker)

our car has not performed to our liking on one or two tracks... (brilliant ..which tracks did he think of china and monaco,perhaps?)

If a team does not accept after all these years they do wrong in fundamental areas of their business it´s about time to close the issue.
I think it´s better to stop polluting this thread now and just look on in disbelief what they might come up with next

[OppositeLock]

Last note, look at Schumacher, the guy is really beaten but he really tries to restore his legacy. Im actually worried, i think he might go the same way as Senna.

That's an interesting thought. It's been obvious for some time that Schumacher is only going through the motions without any conviction. It might be best to get Sam Bird to finish the season.

It seems like Mercedes haven't realized that F1 is about high speed cornering. For some reason they have been chasing straight-line speed. Their aggressive drs, double drs front wing and now the passive drs are turning out to be dead ends.

[marcush.]

they simply were lucky when in Spa both saubers were wiped out in the first corner ...

I guess Sauber is Lucky Mercedes fouled up too, if you look at it that way. Mercedes have suffered more DNF's while in the points.

committed or suffered?

[FoxHound]

Let's talk Sauber next year marcush....