Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[Morteza]

Jock Clear- working with Jaques villeneuve ,Takuma Sato and Rubens Barrichello ...I start to have my doubts -Shovlin had Button and then Schumacher ....
Maybe we see these guys completely wrong.. I have to admit every hair i still got does resist that thought ,but Doubts are justified ,considering the idiotic soldiering on with p13 when your gearbox is making trouble and carry over this trouble to the next race -you could as well piss on your own shoes methinks. Why risk to spoil your next race for NO gain?
It seems they all have already quitted mentally.Maybe they already know they will all be sacked soon?

Wouldn't it be great? They are a disgrace to F1 let alone Mercedes.

[example]

I am having some dart boards and golf balls printed this week.
The faces of CRoss Prawn, Noughtberg Huge and the three wise men baring gifts but riding a camel.
I'll throw in a few with Lance Armstrong's face too.

The biggest sporting fraud's of the 21 century.

Sorry had to get that off my chest

A pal of mine in Hamburg recently purchased a Range ROver. I asked why not a Mercedes ML. He laughed at me....

That's an obvious choice. I don't know how that makes Merceds cars bad or is relevant to F1...

[clipsy1H]

I am having some dart boards and golf balls printed this week.
The faces of CRoss Prawn, Noughtberg Huge and the three wise men baring gifts but riding a camel.
I'll throw in a few with Lance Armstrong's face too.

The biggest sporting fraud's of the 21 century.

Sorry had to get that off my chest

A pal of mine in Hamburg recently purchased a Range ROver. I asked why not a Mercedes ML. He laughed at me....

That's an obvious choice. I don't know how that makes Merceds cars bad or is relevant to F1...

you're right .... Mercedes cars are good in 2010 i bought a ML from them and it's ok but i try to sell him now and choose Audi or BMW
Back on team.... if those upgrades don't work or need more time to understand them why don't let Michael do drive old spec for his last 4 races because in these condition is impossible for him to score even a podium (maybe but maybe in USA)
is frustrating to watch him fighting for P14 at his final career. Ross let to go down a guy who won with him 7 WDC

[SeijaKessen]

I am having some dart boards and golf balls printed this week.
The faces of CRoss Prawn, Noughtberg Huge and the three wise men baring gifts but riding a camel.
I'll throw in a few with Lance Armstrong's face too.

The biggest sporting fraud's of the 21 century.

Sorry had to get that off my chest

A pal of mine in Hamburg recently purchased a Range ROver. I asked why not a Mercedes ML. He laughed at me....

That's an obvious choice. I don't know how that makes Merceds cars bad or is relevant to F1...

Probably because Merc thought the AMG F1 team would be a great marketing tool.

No one seems to have realized that fielding a perennial never-was for a team isn't going to endear people to AMG products.

[marcush.]

I don´t think the decisionmakers in Stuttgart are connected to earth enough to realise or care about this little detail...In case of MGP I fear they got a bit of what they asked for really.
They bought into something believing it was a bargain and now are pursuing the correct "handsoff"politics but fail to realise this does not work if you don´t have the right people placed within your branch .
They did follow this pattern of handsoff ownership with Illmor and this was very successful -but Mario Illien and Paul Morgan were of course a very different pairing compared to Brawn and Fry...all followed their own agenda ,sure ...but Fry and Brawn are busy securing their financial security and wellbeing for the rest of their lives when Illien and Morgan wanted nothing more than Illmopr to succeed and win win win -in Formula 1 and every other project they were involved with..Also These two were real "best in class" engineers who could value the content of proposals and ideas..Brawn whatever his strength may be it sure is not engineering and fry is a businessman not an engineer.
Daimler should have thrown these two out of the equation instantly after aquiring the company -BIG Mistake- and a surprising one as well.
Now it all seems too late as the team has almost reached the lows of 2007/8 all over again.

[diego1960]

This team is pathetic. In the previous races we could fight with the Force Indias, now we are getting destroyed by them. Even the Toro Rossos passed Michael, we are talking about Ricciardo and Vergne! I have really never seen such a downfall in the recent years of F1 history, it seems that between races we manage to los 0.2 seconds (figure of speach), and consistently fall behind, what is next really? Battles with the great Karthikeyan? Getting lapped by 4-5 cars?

Next year with Lauda we can at least expect to have some fun seeing this [team crash and burn, just imagine all the announcements, the excuses, the blaming, the resuffling and the tweets from Hamilton after he gets bored of cruising behind Maldonado or Kobayashi to top it. Priceless. Mouthwatering.

[spadeflush]

Sorry mods, couldn't resist posting this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formul ... -move.html

'We feel that we gave Jenson a car that enabled him to win the world championship, and we hoped he'd have stuck with us for that reason as we are very confident we can provide a race-winning car for next season.'

What was Button thinking??

On Topic: I think its worth a shot to switch to the old spec car for the old guy. The Coanda exhausts have failed to bring any gains, the car is still going backwards.

[pocketmoon]

From Gary Anderson on the beeb http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19941812

"I've been speaking to a few of the guys there [MercAMGF1] and they say there are so many people that nobody makes any decisions any more."

"... after a major recruitment programme, they have a multi-man band and there are four guys in there who have been technical directors at other teams all doing different roles. Meanwhile, Red Bull have Adrian Newey. "

[Morteza]

So the team is definitely doomed. Were we expecting anything different? Gathering 4 different guys who do the same job simply makes the situation worse. What are they thinking with themselves?

[wunderkind]

So the team is definitely doomed. Were we expecting anything different? Gathering 4 different guys who do the same job simply makes the situation worse. What are they thinking with themselves?

I'm not sure Bell, Willis, and Costa are all doing the same thing. Brawn has said Costa is currently responsible for the 2013 car (W04) while Willis is working on the 2014 (W05). Bob Bell must be perservering with the W03..........................

[ArchAngel]

...what is next really? Battles with the great Karthikeyan?

^

On a more serious note: Sauber, Force India, Torro Rosso, Williams -- now all gone & disappeared off into the distance. I'm now seriously worried about serious threat posed by Caterham & Marussia, whose drivers must be seriously fancying their chances of walking away from the last remaining GPs of 2012 with the scalps of MSC & ROS in their racing résumés. Seriously.

[Morteza]

So the team is definitely doomed. Were we expecting anything different? Gathering 4 different guys who do the same job simply makes the situation worse. What are they thinking with themselves?

I'm not sure Bell, Willis, and Costa are all doing the same thing. Brawn has said Costa is currently responsible for the 2013 car (W04) while Willis is working on the 2014 (W05). Bob Bell must be perservering with the W03..........................

I know what you mean there, but three of those four can be TD. If Costa alone is working on W04, does that mean he and only he will develop it or the other three are gonna help him too? Aren't they going to have conversations like this: "It's not what I designed so it's none of my business what your problem is blah blah blah". It is a very vague structure for me. Are they working as a team or individually?

[Mika1]

So the team is definitely doomed. Were we expecting anything different? Gathering 4 different guys who do the same job simply makes the situation worse. What are they thinking with themselves?

I'm not sure Bell, Willis, and Costa are all doing the same thing. Brawn has said Costa is currently responsible for the 2013 car (W04) while Willis is working on the 2014 (W05). Bob Bell must be perservering with the W03..........................

I know what you mean there, but three of those four can be TD. If Costa alone is working on W04, does that mean he and only he will develop it or the other three are gonna help him too? Aren't they going to have conversations like this: "It's not what I designed so it's none of my business what your problem is blah blah blah". It is a very vague structure for me. Are they working as a team or individually?

Individually. Of course they will share data and information, but Aldo Costa designs the 2013 car and Willis the 2014 car.

[kooleracer]

I Think Hamilton joined Merc because they promised hem the team will be revamped. I see alot of heads rolling at Merc at the end of this season. First and foremost Nick Fry, Haug and Ross Brawn and a lot of ex-Honda staff. Think Merc will send some new capable staff form Stuttgart and McLaren. Because i can't see Lewis joining Merc the work with this bunch of people. I wouldn't be surprised if some people McLaren staff would follow him to Merc.

[yener]

I'm not sure Bell, Willis, and Costa are all doing the same thing. Brawn has said Costa is currently responsible for the 2013 car (W04) while Willis is working on the 2014 (W05). Bob Bell must be perservering with the W03..........................

I know what you mean there, but three of those four can be TD. If Costa alone is working on W04, does that mean he and only he will develop it or the other three are gonna help him too? Aren't they going to have conversations like this: "It's not what I designed so it's none of my business what your problem is blah blah blah". It is a very vague structure for me. Are they working as a team or individually?[/quote]

They have to work as a team. If you wont you can never build a good racing car, because building a WC car needs more than a year.
The team needs patient and a 3 year plan at least. Look how RBR came at the top. Step by step. They had EBD in 2009 but didnt won the WC but they knew they were going in the right direction and never gave up their ideas. Unless MGP short wheelbase double radiators, they gave up and had another shot in the lottery.