Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[clipsy1H]

guy's is obviously that next car (w04) will be more competitive than this ? but will be enough for championship? or maybe fight for it??
it is impossible to be worse than this because there are guy with brain (not to much after what they did with Schu and Nico in last 3 years) but i little piece exist....

i predict a strong w04 in first 5 races but then I don't know, maybe if they learned anything from what happened this year ... i still can't believe Brawn may fail 4 years in row but like i said few pages ago in this thread i hope next car will be same like this

[Ozan]

with hamilton and his aggressive driving style, I think Merc needs to deliver updates aggressively like Ferrari did this year. I'm not a fan of AMG F1 anymore as Schumacher retires, I hope Merc deliver that what hamilton needs.

[munudeges]

From Gary Anderson on the beeb http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19941812

"I've been speaking to a few of the guys there [MercAMGF1] and they say there are so many people that nobody makes any decisions any more."

"... after a major recruitment programme, they have a multi-man band and there are four guys in there who have been technical directors at other teams all doing different roles."

Pretty much what I and one or two others have been saying on this thread for a very long time. There's no logical structure to it, and that whole splitting of teams to design cars in alternate years has been tried by McLaren. It failed because you get very little continuity and reuse of effort between cars and seasons.

[SSS]

They aborted using Windtunnel to update it???

You dont stop production in the middle of a season for an upgradation when you car is promising. That is beyond stupid.

If they did so then soon they will loose to Marussia & Carteham too & maybe HRT.

Mercedes had 2 tunnels,they can rent 1 to HRT but not use it & sit idly.

Ferrari's Windtunnel is known to be Poor yet they do well.
Lotus last season bought a Massive Amount of Updates (most of which failed due to FFE) and they developed a good car & have constantly updated it.

[Raptor22]

It seems Brawn has created quite a mess.....

Poooof goes the myth of he being a mastermind of the Ferrari resurgence. More credibility to th Fact it was Todt and Byrrne who did it. Brawn was just covered in the same glory by association

[SeijaKessen]

Merc should go call up John Barnard to see what he is doing these days. I hear he designs furniture now. One would think with enough money they could entice him back to F1?

[wunderkind]

Merc should go call up John Barnard to see what he is doing these days. I hear he designs furniture now. One would think with enough money they could entice him back to F1?

Forget Barnard, he's been out of the game for so long that he will not be useful. His last cars (Ferrari's) were a sad sight anyway. Brawn and Byrne did a great job overhauling Barnard's 1996 Ferrari F310 into an eventual winner in the hands of Schumacher.

[yener]

From Gary Anderson on the beeb http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19941812

"I've been speaking to a few of the guys there [MercAMGF1] and they say there are so many people that nobody makes any decisions any more."

"... after a major recruitment programme, they have a multi-man band and there are four guys in there who have been technical directors at other teams all doing different roles."

Pretty much what I and one or two others have been saying on this thread for a very long time. There's no logical structure to it, and that whole splitting of teams to design cars in alternate years has been tried by McLaren. It failed because you get very little continuity and reuse of effort between cars and seasons.

Thats exactly what i meant to say earlier!

Its like polishing a diamond to a shape. If someone else takes it over and doesnt like the shape he will have to start all over again. So their never will be a polished diamond!

[snoop1050]

Merc should go call up John Barnard to see what he is doing these days. I hear he designs furniture now. One would think with enough money they could entice him back to F1?

seems like the only person mercedes havent tried to hire so far is george foreman , unless he turned haug down

[Ganxxta]

Button: "Hamilton made the wrong decision to go to Mercedes"

As I said, Lewis should have talked to Button about this before

[marcush.]

Brawn completely missed the bus in my view.
Sure he and of course with him the Hutt as well are under scruteenity and constant questioning WHEN to expect the breakthrough with tyre usage and as those asking the questions are demandingh not excuses but action -and as they are decision makers themselves but do not really have a clue about the ins and outs of f1 .they come up with the "KNOWN" names in the business as theý become available.
"So Ross -what´s up with Bell -is he a capable TD -would he bring something to the table?-" yes he would he is a capable man ..."So let´s hire him"
Hey Ross what´s your opinion with Willis -wasn´t he involved with RedBull and knows Newey quite well ? I saw him the other day at our old windtunnel and he told me he actually help designed our state of the Art mega million new one ..wouldn´t he be the right man to lead our Aero research with that background ,considering we won´t get Newey himself?
And finally-Ross -costa must have snapped up all the useful tricks of the trade frrom #Rory back then ,no ? "Idon´t know ,i have no idea of aerodynamics..but sure his cars won championships and i worked along him he is a nice bloke..

In no time you suddenly find yourself meeting all the successful people of your past and maybe think this will change not only your bad feeling but the fortunes of the team as well...of course it will not as none of them has shown any sign of
being a brilliant designer -(with the possible exception of Costa?) But having four guys trying to run the show with each wheel of the cart doubling up as steering wheel this is bound to be turning in circles with zero radius....A nice dream evaporating before the sun has risen fully..
Now how to get rid of them ? Give them their own project -a complete car - but sure this will not solve any of the issues they currently face.
They need DOERS who don´t hesitate to change things, approaches ,everything NOW -as anything is bound to be better than what they try now.
Key was the key and they did not take him when he was available...He is already (!) kicking their ass with the Toro rosso ..
which was nowhere just a few weeks ago.
I would have hired Key with the premise to turn things around .Go through the company assemble your design crew and turn around W03 as quickly as possible and leave Bell and the kings with conceptualising the cars to follow ..create a competition scenario already for W04.

another one who seems to have been left at the same bus stop:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103459 does anyone know what their young charger is smoking these days?

[mep]

Hahahahah, Rosberg is really funny these days. In Japan he already came up with such a funny joke: “Der hat mir mein Rennen zerstört, das Auto fühlte sich richtig gut und ich bin schon auf Platz 10 vor gekommen. Da wäre heute sicher viel möglich gewesen“

He says that despite the fact that he does not even reach corner 2. Actually he is lucky, because getting crashed in first lap saves him from the hard reality of a totally underperforming Mercedes.

[Cocles]

The article about Costa and Willis keeps being misquoted.

Brawn didn't say that Costa was in charge of one car and Willis was in charge of the other, only that one guy was currently working on one car, while the other guy was working on the other one. That doesn't mean they're in charge of those cars.

Willis is the tech guy, of course he's going to be working on the car that's currently little more than a wire frame on a computer screen, whereas Costa is working on the car that has reached a physical representation.

I'm not in a position to dig up the article right now, but I will later if needed.

As for Korea.... uhg.

[marcush.]

Rosberg must be staring at his points tally thinking he can do wonders compared to the old man..but wait he dragged almost two tenths more from the car in Q3 ...so from where was he supposed to find the potential ..i think he has taken lessons from Haug and Brawn recently ...we have reduced the gap to Mclaren (who came not as far as Rosberg with car No2 andf had a broken ARB on car no 1... ..He is a smart guy in formula IF...)

As for the wire frame..You bet they already have all constraints in their skeletton design fixed and design their cvars within what the regulations allow .I´m pretty sure a HEAD of anything does not perform this sort of work..No ?

[SeijaKessen]

Well the first thing MGP needs is a new Team Principal. There is no doubt Ross is not the man for the job anymore, and I doubt he ever was the man for the job to begin with.

Since I'm under no illusions to the fact that MrE wants this team on the grid for the foreseeable future, I believe it was by design Gabriel was sent to MGP as MrE's representative...no different from Brawn being MrM's representative in the 1990s at Benetton, and then again at Ferrari. There's another person that I believe MrE would like to see on that team for a purpose of turning the team around.

It makes a great deal of sense that if we see Brawn whacked in the offseason, we'll see Flavor Flav back on the sidelines as Team Principal, since after all, his ban from F1 does end this year.