New kers innovation, kegs, currently being shown to teams

[mbb72]

The really interesting thing with this ,kegs, innovation is it doesn't require vehicle inertia to charge the batteries. It actually creates extra kinetic energy while delivering electrical power too the batteries .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IYLMy1 ... ata_player

http://evworld.com/blogs/index.cfm?authorid=279

[Jersey Tom]

The really interesting thing with this ,kegs, innovation is it doesn't require vehicle inertia to charge the batteries. It actually creates extra kinetic energy while delivering electrical power too the batteries .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IYLMy1 ... ata_player

http://evworld.com/blogs/index.cfm?authorid=279

So its a perpetual motion machine then or what?

[autogyro]

I saw no creation of kinetic energy in the demo.
I just saw a generator being driven by the power source of a scooter.
Kinetic energy recovery is only of use in a stop start vehicle or a racing car where excess kinetic energy is available on deceleration because of the performance requirement.
The most energy efficient method for a road vehicle is simply to coast the vehicle under deceleration without converting any energy. The vehicle goes much further on the energy available.

[mbb72]

Hi Tom, sorry for the late reply but I didn't get a notification I only happened to notice your reply when looking through the forum . Basically the short explanation is it works by passing a magnet through a rotating magnetic field, it is I believe a totally new discovery awaiting patent.

[Lycoming]

Then why isn't it everywhere already?

sounds like perpetual motion to me, though the exact mechanism seems to obfuscate this somewhat.

[mbb72]

Then why isn't it everywhere already?

sounds like perpetual motion to me, though the exact mechanism seems to obfuscate this somewhat.

Hi, this is extremely new, I only recently found out about it myself the best description is in the link

KEGS kinetic energy generating system
The really interesting and important aspect of this innovation is that:

* While it is charging the batteries with a MODERATE current magnitude it is actually ADDING kinetic energy to the vehicle (accelerating it NOT robbing it / decelerating it).

* When a SHORT CIRCUIT (MAXIMUM current magnitude) is applied across the KEGS unit the accelerative kinetic energy created is also MAXIMUM - whereas in any conventional KERS maximum breaking would ensue.

* The KEGS unit can be used to recharge the batteries while accelerating, coasting and while breaking which will create moderate additional vehicle acceleration. Maximum acceleration occurs when the KEGS output terminals are shorted out so when the batteries are fully charged the KEGS unit is employed as an additional vehicle acceleration mode until the power boost is required and the KEGS unit operates like any conventional motor -just like any KERS unit. The KEGS innovation also has KERS properties as well such as regenerative braking when required.

[mbb72]

I saw no creation of kinetic energy in the demo.
I just saw a generator being driven by the power source of a scooter.
Kinetic energy recovery is only of use in a stop start vehicle or a racing car where excess kinetic energy is available on deceleration because of the performance requirement.
The most energy efficient method for a road vehicle is simply to coast the vehicle under deceleration without converting any energy. The vehicle goes much further on the energy available.

This was just one video in a series, with more coming, but that's not what I was watching. The unit was feeding the scooter battery

[mbb72]

This is not perpetual motion

[mbb72]

There seems to be some confusion over what the video is showing, firstly kegs = kinetic energy generating system referred too as generator in the video is showing that at 1600 rpm the generator is supplying power too the scooter battery ,thus charging the battery. There s also power being supplied too the scooter motor as well, the important factor being no regenaterive braking as there is with kers. Once all 4 coils are charged it is switched too what is effectively a present day kers mode, with the resulting increase in rpm

[Lycoming]

the confusion stems from where exactly this energy is coming from.

[mbb72]

the confusion stems from where exactly this energy is coming from.

Does the explanation in the link for evworld blog not help, as all I would be doing is rehashing that really because all I've done is come across this and shared it. There are extra videos with the YouTube video. I find it totally fascinating that it actually supplies extra power while charging the batteries, and that there is no effect on braking as there is with kers.

[Richard]

As I read it, the invention seems to result in noticeable increase in generator efficiency at 16000rpm. The energy saved by that efficiency is diverted to a battery, or it can be used to increase engine power. That seems simple and straight forward.

The premise for cars seems to be .... ICE - generator - gearbox.

The inventor appears to be saying this is more efficient than .... ICE - gearbox

So that seems to say the generator has less energy loss than solid driveshaft?

Then consider the PV example:

PV - motor - generator - cable is more efficient than PV - cable ??

[mbb72]

As I read it, the invention seems to result in noticeable increase in generator efficiency at 16000rpm. The energy saved by that efficiency is diverted to a battery, or it can be used to increase engine power. That seems simple and straight forward.

The premise for cars seems to be .... ICE - generator - gearbox.

The inventor appears to be saying this is more efficient than .... ICE - gearbox

So that seems to say the generator has less energy loss than solid driveshaft?

Then consider the PV example:

PV - motor - generator - cable is more efficient than PV - cable ??

Hi Richard, sorry but you've got me with the ICE and PV abbreviations. As you say though the kegs
Unit has to get up to 1600rpm and then it charges the batteries and supplies extra power too the motor, but also at the same time it is also charging the coils in the kegs . Once all 4 coils are charged that energy in the coils can then be used as kers would be used at present

[autogyro]

So how does it get up to 1600 rpm?

[Richard]

ICE = Internal combustion engine, ie car engine

PV = Photovoltaic - ie solar panel.