2012 US GP - Circuit of the Americas

[myurr]

The track is slick. That's what you get with new pavement. Seen it first hand several times over the past couple years. Has to be worn in before ANY tire has any grip.

And when that's the case, soft rubber doesn't do you any good. Bear in my I'm super critical of Pirelli in general, but this IMO is easily the right call by them.

Very interesting and counter intuitive to what most would assume. Do you know why this is the case? Something to do with overheating the surface of the tyre as grip starts to pick up but not enough to stop the car sliding?

[FrukostScones]

Here is the link about Dominacelli visiting and complaining to the FIA after Abu Dabhi

http://www.marca.com/2012/11/14/motor/f ... 07544.html

please translate or dont post non-english content omg.

omg, the world gets complicated

[Sombrero]

There's an easy way to settle the problem with the Scuderia. If Massa's gearbox has been changed is 100% within the rule, but if not (just the seal break), then the penalty should apply in Brazil when a new gearbox is effectively fitted...

[FrukostScones]

i think the massa gearbox change has been made mainly for getting the clean side of the track for both drivers, but also for not risking to have a phase fo the race with massa ahead of alonso of more than one place, which would have made a team order more difficult.
I am curious to see how massa will race today, if he will react with a strong performance or if he will be demotivated.

I think it will make him proud. Sacrificing his race for the oraganization, will make him the big winner of this if they succeed.

again: I think it is very very stupid from Ferrari not to actually change the gearbox (very bad strategy inside a very brilliant one).

[Hobbs04]

Massa gearbox change is same thing as "Alonso is faster than you" on lap 47. Instead just gets it done before turn 1 lap 1. Remember how Spa and Suzuka outcome in turn 1?

[Hobbs04]

Alonso benefiting from someone intentionally ruining their race chances.

At least he doesn't have a history of this...oh wait

Can you name one driver who hasn't?

well name driver who made his teammate intentionally crash and try to win that race

Vettel told Webber to crash into Grojean in Abu dhabi me thinks.

[Joie de vivre]

tóuche

but still, the champions title is at stakes, what did you expect from ferrari?

and one more thing, if they hadn't done this, you all would be saying "how stupid from ferrari blah blah blah"

it is what it is

[Jersey Tom]

The track is slick. That's what you get with new pavement. Seen it first hand several times over the past couple years. Has to be worn in before ANY tire has any grip.

And when that's the case, soft rubber doesn't do you any good. Bear in my I'm super critical of Pirelli in general, but this IMO is easily the right call by them.

Very interesting and counter intuitive to what most would assume. Do you know why this is the case? Something to do with overheating the surface of the tyre as grip starts to pick up but not enough to stop the car sliding?

I have my ideas, sure.

In any event, to me it's a no brainer that there's no grip because the track is brand new and hasn't been run in. But to blame it on Pirelli is dumb, IMO.

I blame them for a lot of things over the past two years, but not this. Besides more to the point this is the lesser of two evils. If Pirelli brought soft tires that ran hot, blistered, and failed... THEN the lot of internet engineers could go up in arms about them being dumb or foolish. The smart move is to err on the side of durability. Then what they learn this year they can creep up on a better solution next time around once the track has been run on a bit.

[siskue2005]

i would laugh my ass off if Alonso makes a bad start today

Nobody has won 3 world titles before the age of 30. Sebastian Vettel is 25 years 138 days old today

That would be a great achievement for Vettel if he does it =D>

[dave34m]

Massa gearbox change is same thing as "Alonso is faster than you" on lap 47. Instead just gets it done before turn 1 lap 1. Remember how Spa and Suzuka outcome in turn 1?

Maybe but this affects everyone behind him as well, all those who had the good side of the grid now get shifted to the crap side.

[flixfe]

Does anyone have a SkyTV live stream? I hate my local, dumb-as-wood and totally biased commentators.
Thank you.

[Raptor22]

So Ferrari elect to stoop to a new low... Unsurprising

[Harvey]

Massa gearbox change is same thing as "Alonso is faster than you" on lap 47. Instead just gets it done before turn 1 lap 1. Remember how Spa and Suzuka outcome in turn 1?

Maybe but this affects everyone behind him as well, all those who had the good side of the grid now get shifted to the crap side.

As did Grosjean's penalty.
Swings and roundabouts, really.

Now, can everyone stop needlessly b!tching about this!? It's quite pathetic, really. Especially on a supposedly "technical" forum.

[Jersey Tom]

Massa gearbox change is same thing as "Alonso is faster than you" on lap 47. Instead just gets it done before turn 1 lap 1. Remember how Spa and Suzuka outcome in turn 1?

Maybe but this affects everyone behind him as well, all those who had the good side of the grid now get shifted to the crap side.

As did Grosjean's penalty.
Swings and roundabouts, really.

Now, can everyone stop needlessly b!tching about this!? It's quite pathetic, really. Especially on a supposedly "technical" forum.

Wish I could +1 this but the option seems to have vanished.

[Ray]

Alonso benefiting from someone intentionally ruining their race chances.

At least he doesn't have a history of this...oh wait

Can you name one driver who hasn't?

well name driver who made his teammate intentionally crash and try to win that race

You're not answering the question. Can you name one driver that has a chance at victory or a championship that didn't have his teammate fall on his sword. I get that you want to hold Alonso more accountable for the behavior everyone else is guilty of, but you are ignoring the question completely.