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DaveKillens wrote:If you believe that Michael is fighting solely for the manufacturer's title, then watch his engine in Brazil. If he is fighting for the team, it will be a normal engine. But if he is fighting for his personal chance at nukmber eight, that engine wil be a very special, one race engine designed to win or blow up. It will exceed 20,000 RPM, and go like stink.
If you want to form an opinion, don't listen to the noise coming out of Michael Schumacher's mouth, but the noise from his engine, how many rev's it can do. That is where you will find the truth.
You care to explain this? If Ferrari is going to use these "super-engines" it means that they are doing everything they can in order to win in Brazil. The only score that will give them a chance in either championship. Why would it mean that MS is going for the drivers' in particular? If they are risking anything in a way that one of their drivers wont finish the race they will have almost no chance at all of winning anything, drivers or constructors.
i don't think they'll risk with that kind of engine, they're the team to beat and considering that both renaults doesn't need to take risk their only way is waiting the others mistakes
What Dave's saying is that chances are, Ferrari is going for it all the way. They want Schu to go out with the 8th Driver's Championship. But I think they want the Constructor's Championship also, as the two aren't mutually exclusive.
It benefits the Scuderia for both goals to do everything they can to finish 1-2. After that, they just have to hope for the best.
To the general populace, the driver's title is head and shoulders above the manufacturer's title. And as long as there is a chance (and there is one), Michael will fight tooth and nail for that victory.
If Schumacher plays it as normal, nothing less than a win will mean nothing. Absolutely nothing, nada, zip, lint in the pocket.
In all sports, in major competitions, there comes a moment when you throw caution to the wind, and just go for it all, depending on your confidence and strengths to grab the brass ring. I believe that for Michael Schumacher and Ferrari, that moment has come.
Yes you would get more satisfaction when you beat a person fair and square, using the same skill, the same ball, the same car? This is a team sport, so a win is a win not only by the driver but the others as well...
Yes its not fair that a drivers engine blows us and another driver wins the championship from it, just ask ALONSO about it and he will tell you... OR would he say i deserved to win no matter what happend to the other drivers...
I still dont get your first post, Dave. You said that "if he (MS) is fighting for the team, it will be a normal engine. But if he is fighting for his personal chance at number eight , that engine will be a very special, one race engine, designed to win or blow up."
Why should it be a normal engine if he is fighting for the team? Ferrari dont have a lot of chance if they finish, say, 3rd and 5th, or even 2nd and 3rd, and the Renaults are still high up in the game. Ferrari has no other chance but to play it all out. Even if it means that they will risk finishing the race. I dont see how Schumacher will have some sort of a special personal benefit from a "super-engine".
By the way, I dont understand why people are making such a small fuss about Ferrari with them special engines. There were reports about Cosworth doing the same thing and I think Honda and maybe even Merc are going to try something like this, maybe just a lil bit less extreem.
Ferrari is supposed to use engines that rev 300rpm higher than they used to. Schumi tested one without any issues for +900 km's, so don't expect it to blow up.
You're right FLC, surely any team in same position will do the same. Maybe even more extreme, cause some have nothing to lose anymore. Ferrari still has a chance for the championships, so obviously that's the one making the headlines.
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Ferrari has a plan, you morons. What do you think they did in China? Throw their collective hands in the air and declare: "Oh, well, all is lost... let's go home and play Nintendo"?
Back (slowly and dragging my feet) on thread, do you know what I find strange in Schumacher's declarations? The astounding phrase about "I don't want to go into a race knowing my opponent has to retire". Oh, saints of heaven, sing and rejoyce, he repented! This is the final title, from now on, on every YouTube video of Jerez 94.
My answer to that? I guess most of the grid would be enchanted to be in that position!
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Ciro Pabón wrote:Back (slowly and dragging my feet) on thread, do you know what I find strange in Schumacher's declarations? The astounding phrase about "I don't want to go into a race knowing my opponent has to retire".
Just trying to put the pressure on Alonso..."you can NOT retire"..."you MUST finish"..."do NOT make a mistake"..."you MUST avoid crashing"..."you HAVE to think about it all the time"...
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FLC, when I refereed to a "normal" engine would be the one planned for months ago. Engine development is very fluid in F1, and each race the engineers introduce new materials and concepts. Most teams lay down a roadmap of their intended progress, and have a pretty good idea of what kind of equipment they hope to have at each race. But Michael's retirement in Japan changed everything. If he had finished as planned, then there would be a certain spec engine destined for Brazil. But now, with the team 9 points out of the manufacturer's titloe, and Shu requiring nothing less than a win and bad luck on Alonso's part, I'm personally very sure there was a major change in engine philisophy. Not to use the intended engine package destined for Brazil, but instead to knock together all the high performance options and equipment available, and give Michael a car clearly dominant over the field. Not close, but dominant.
If Michael wins, then at least he salvages some personal dignity. If he wins the tiutle, then all's well and good in the land of red. Anything else, even Massa winning, means nothing in the grand scheme of things. So Michael has to completely dominate the race, and if he doesn't win, make sure that no fault is laid on his feet. After all the great contributions Schumacher has done for Ferrari, they owe him big, and the dignity of retiring in the best light possible. If he wins, then he can claim the glory. If he loses, make sure it's not his fault. Make sure that no one can look back and say.. Michael could have won if he had.... anything but referring to equipment.
It's better to have the public perception that he gave it his all, even to the point where he broke the car.
Win, or the car breaks, those are the only two options.
I disagree, Dave. First of all, Ferrari knew that MS might have a one-race-engine situation since Hungary. Ofcourse something could have went wrong along the way, but you can count on that when you make a plan. You said they are introducing new components per race (or 2 races), I say they had about 5 races in advance...
The blown engine in Japan shouldnt have affected their program because, correct me if I'm wrong, but MS was on his second race with the same engine.
But that is not the main point. The main point is that Ferrari is in a situation where they have nothing to lose. Either them or MS dont count on retiring in an elegent way or whatever, they want to win. Just like any other sports team. What prevents them from "taking care" of MS's car during the race if they see that he has no chance of winning? Why should they risk losing over reliability issues? Even Renault is equipping Fisi's car with a "super-engine", does it mean that they are thinking in the way you are suggesting?! I dont think so. I think they are doing everything in their power to make sure that they get the best results. That is why Alonso will use a less powerfull spec. He only has to finish in the first eight. Fisi has to bring a good result if they are to win the constructors. A little bit more conservative attitude, but still a quite aggressive approach.
Yes, it is true! Is a new supersecret engine! They did not use it at other events so they freeze engines without knowing their advantage! They even developed a new body for it! Everybody panic!
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