2013 Monaco Grand Prix

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Bomber_Pilot wrote:The most objective person in the paddock, Marko Helmut is apparently already talking to the press, saying that Merc only won today because of the tests after Barcelona and that if they had the same opportunity they would be a sec per lap faster.
Thumbs up to Marko for playing the political chess game... hehe...

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Overdriving wrote: They got 1000km of free testing of the current car with the current drivers. How is that not an unfair advantage? Anyone who is not a Merc/Lewis/Nico fan can see it.
On the one hand that surely is an advantage for them (How big: i don't know), on the other hand Pirelli might get a better understanding of the 2013 cars if they could define the test procedure and parameters (was that the case? I assume yes). This could in turn help them develop a better tyre that doesn't continue to spoil races they way they are doing ATM (Hint: SV's fast lap towards the end was about 4 - 5s faster than the managed race pace that prevailed throughout the GP (1:20,0 - 1:21,5).
If it helps reducing this mysery I'm OK with the test.

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Overdriving wrote:
turbof1 wrote:
Bomber_Pilot wrote:The most objective person in the paddock, Marko Helmut is apparently already talking to the press, that Merc only won today because of the tests after Barcelona and that if they had the same opportunity they would be a sec per lap faster.
What a genius. Nobody would believe that. Completely different tyres, completely different track.

They are making too much a fuss about it.
They got 1000km of free testing of the current car with the current drivers. How is that not an unfair advantage? Anyone who is not a Merc/Lewis/Nico fan can see it.
Except I am a mclaren fan.
The tyres are different, being only the 2014 ones. If I am correct, they failed in trying the Canadian ones.

I agree though Pirelli choose the wrong team; if they choosed a team at the back, nobody would have cared.

For the Monaco GP, they will absolutely not have gotten any advantage out of it.
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Ferraripilot wrote:Pirelli stated the testing had 90% to do with 2014 tires. And Pirelli asked other teams to participate too but only Mercedes did.
LOL

Ferrari is fighting any day for the introduction of the in-season tests...and they will refuse a free test for the tires, adn Red Bull also...UNREAL

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komninosm wrote: Where did you hear Hamilton say that? What do you mean sky sport investigated it?

Also did anyone else think Briatore-Gate when Massa crashed right after Alonso pitted?
Sky Sports had Anthony Davidson break down the safety car pit stops with some Oliver Stone, JFK type graphics. "Back, and to the left. :P " A somber Lewis Hamilton accepted responsibility for his pit stop in a post race interview.

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henra wrote:
Overdriving wrote: They got 1000km of free testing of the current car with the current drivers. How is that not an unfair advantage? Anyone who is not a Merc/Lewis/Nico fan can see it.
On the one hand that surely is an advantage for them (How big: i don't know), on the other hand Pirelli might get a better understanding of the 2013 cars if they could define the test procedure and parameters (was that the case? I assume yes). This could in turn help them develop a better tyre that doesn't continue to spoil races they way they are doing ATM (Hint: SV's fast lap towards the end was about 4 - 5s faster than the managed race pace that prevailed throughout the GP (1:20,0 - 1:21,5).
If it helps reducing this mysery I'm OK with the test.
I'm all for Pirelli tyres getting better and allowing actual racing, but using one team to test the new tyres is not okay, especially since they used Lewis and Nico instead of the test drivers. Even tyres aside, there's a matter of 1000km of testing. Running any tests during season of the current car is illegal under FIA regulations, no matter which way you spin it. If anyone can show me where it says you can run a 2013 car on 2013 tyres outside of grand Prix weekend, I'll admit Mercs and Pirelli have done nothing wrong.

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I wonder if Vettel's 2s-faster-than-race-pace fastest lap is basically silent lobbying, basically telling the public, "Hey guys - look! We can lap 2s quicker than we do..."
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Everyone forgetting that the FIA told Mercedes that it was OK? I can't understand any other discussion about it.
Yer.

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Ferraripilot wrote:Pirelli stated the testing had 90% to do with 2014 tires. And Pirelli asked other teams to participate too but only Mercedes did.
While the FIA will likely just explain the situation to other teams, the annoyance is clear, particularly because nobody was informed about this test either, with Christian Horner actually getting the news from journalists in the Monaco paddock on Saturday.
http://www.f1technical.net/news/18433

"What's disappointing is it has been done in not a transparent manner that a three-day test has taken place with a current car running on tyres that are going to be used at the next Grand Prix," Red Bull team principal Christian Horner was quoted as saying by Reuters.
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 14604.html

Who's lying?

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Brawn just said on Sky that the test was conducted while the others were still packing up, so it was not secret at all.

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Pirelli please let RB get a secret test before Silverstone for improvement of 2013 tyres Please !! and that too with the RB9 :mrgreen: .

Talk about double standards weren't Pirelli who said in 2011 that if one team asks a query about tyres it will inform every team about the discussion on that query and now a secret test. How contradicting I don't care about the regulation crap this is a SCAM. Pirelli asking Merc about the feedback from the tyres WTF is that supposed to mean if Pirelli never shared the data :evil: :x .

I want new tyre supplier (from 2014) just because the ethics of Pirelli is wrong and nothing to do with tyres

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Lurk wrote:Brawn just said on Sky that the test was conducted while the others were still packing up, so it was not secret at all.
Lies. He said they werent packing when everyone else was. They didnt run 200mph on track at the time for everyone to see like you're putting it here.

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Lurk wrote:Brawn just said on Sky that the test was conducted while the others were still packing up, so it was not secret at all.
We know that, dont try to be too much smart. It's illegal to test with 2013 car, you can only have 100 km straight line test's with this year car like Force India, Caterham and Lotus did. Ofcourse you can test how much you want with 2 years old car but this was not the case.

It's illegal to test with 2013 car, was that Pirelli or Mercedes test...

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Hangaku wrote:Everyone forgetting that the FIA told Mercedes that it was OK? I can't understand any other discussion about it.

Precisely. Why is this being discussed further.