Nico Rosberg has led the Monaco Grand Prix from start to finish to take a perfect win at the most prestigious race of the season. The Red Bull drivers complete the podium after an eventful race that saw many drivers eliminated.
Hangaku wrote:Everyone forgetting that the FIA told Mercedes that it was OK? I can't understand any other discussion about it.
Precisely. Why is this being discussed further.
We dont know precisely for what FIA told Mercedes is that OK? We dont know details if they did allow them to test with 2013 cars or 2 years old cars...
Sutil driver of the day for me. Did as many overtakes as Perez and actually made it stick.
Redbull had enough luck in that race to get past one Mercedes if they get the second one due to this protest I will literally cry. Im already annoyed that Kimi didn't come away from this weekend leading the championship.
Hamilton will be after blood, after the bad luck and bad judgment on his part in this race, in Canada it will take a very skilled and brave man to beat him, got his first win for McLaren in Canada he could for Mercedes on another track that suits that car.
"Leave it to Lewis Hamilton to ruin Redbull's day" - Martin Brundle
"Ok Lewis, Its Hammertime!!" - Peter Bonnington
"Fresh tires, 15 laps. What do you think Lewis Hamilton is going to do?" - Martin Brundle
Neno wrote:We dont know precisely for what FIA told Mercedes is that OK? We dont know details if they did allow them to test with 2013 cars or 2 years old cars...
So it's better to throw around wild accusation and conspiracy theories?
Nice moves by Sutil, he was the only one worth to be watched in the race. Perez was also enjoyable to watch, but at one point when he saw that people actually moved out of his way not to crash he became idiotic and tried a similar maneuver with Kimi... that unsurprisingly didn't work and pretty much trashed Kimi's race.
I feel bad for RIcciardo because he got Schumachered from behind by Grosjean. Don't know what's up with him, but although he is fast he is costing the team too much.
Otherwise it was the same boring Monaco train.
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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe."Murray Walker, San Marino 1985
Neno wrote:We dont know precisely for what FIA told Mercedes is that OK? We dont know details if they did allow them to test with 2013 cars or 2 years old cars...
So it's better to throw around wild accusation and conspiracy theories?
We know what the F1 regulations say. It's as simple as that, really. If FIA declare the breaching of F1 regulations--their own regulations--okay, they'll become the biggest jokes in F1 history. They will have to do something about it, or it will destroy whatever little reputation they still have left. In-season testing of the current cars is illegal, simple as that. There's no mention in the regulations that special exceptions can be made. Whatever contract FIA has with Pirelli can't overrule the F1's regulations.
I still don't get this tire row. It other teams were going to complain, wouldn't the most obvious time to complain be while the test was going on? Everyone was there packing up and knew it was going on. Theyre only angry bow becuase MB dominated all wekend. Where's the consistency.
Lurk wrote:Brawn just said on Sky that the test was conducted while the others were still packing up, so it was not secret at all.
Lies. He said they werent packing when everyone else was. They didnt run 200mph on track at the time for everyone to see like you're putting it here.
Maybe I misunderstand then (english is not my native language). Still, the other teams were packing up the first day (which was the day after the race) as it takes more than an evening to dismount a motorhome.
Marko and Horner are stupid if they weren't aware that merc was running a car.
Neno wrote:
Lurk wrote:Brawn just said on Sky that the test was conducted while the others were still packing up, so it was not secret at all.
We know that, dont try to be too much smart.
Everybody is talking about a "secret" test. So no, "we" don't know that, apparently.
If Pirelli contract is above sporting regulation (that's their line of defense) and that contract allows them to run a current car, then the test is legal.
Overdriving wrote:We know what the F1 regulations say. It's as simple as that, really. If FIA declare the breaching of F1 regulations--their own regulations--okay, they'll become the biggest jokes in F1 history. They will have to do something about it, or it will destroy whatever little reputation they still have left. In-season testing of the current cars is illegal, simple as that. There's no mention in the regulations that special exceptions can be made. Whatever contract FIA has with Pirelli can't overrule the F1's regulations.
But we also know that the FIA already cleared the test as okay. The bulk of your post is supposition and assumption.
Redbull bringing it up the night after being beaten in qualifying by two Mercedes is suspicious and interesting isn't it. This being Mercedes best race has made the whole situation much bigger than it ought to be. Odds are Mercedes would have dominated this race anyway regardless of the extra testing. If Vettel had gotten pole and Mercedes had a race like Spain we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?
"Leave it to Lewis Hamilton to ruin Redbull's day" - Martin Brundle
"Ok Lewis, Its Hammertime!!" - Peter Bonnington
"Fresh tires, 15 laps. What do you think Lewis Hamilton is going to do?" - Martin Brundle
Lurk wrote:Brawn just said on Sky that the test was conducted while the others were still packing up, so it was not secret at all.
Lies. He said they werent packing when everyone else was. They didnt run 200mph on track at the time for everyone to see like you're putting it here.
Maybe I misunderstand then (english is not my native language). Still, the other teams were packing up the first day (which was the day after the race) as it takes more than an evening to dismount a motorhome.
Marko and Horner are stupid if they weren't aware that merc was running a car.
They were surely aware they are running A car, but certainly not THIS year's car.
Ferraripilot wrote:I still don't get this tire row. It other teams were going to complain, wouldn't the most obvious time to complain be while the test was going on? Everyone was there packing up and knew it was going on. Theyre only angry bow becuase MB dominated all wekend. Where's the consistency.
If Vettel and Webber qualified P1 and P2, they wouldn't say anything about it. Mercedes dominated in Monaco just like last year (pole Schumacher). Secret tyre test or not.
Overdriving wrote:We know what the F1 regulations say. It's as simple as that, really. If FIA declare the breaching of F1 regulations--their own regulations--okay, they'll become the biggest jokes in F1 history. They will have to do something about it, or it will destroy whatever little reputation they still have left. In-season testing of the current cars is illegal, simple as that. There's no mention in the regulations that special exceptions can be made. Whatever contract FIA has with Pirelli can't overrule the F1's regulations.
But we also know that the FIA already cleared the test as okay. The bulk of your post is supposition and assumption.
No, we know nothing. FIA said nothing so far on the matter. All we know is what Mercs and Pirelli are claiming, and they didn't sound or look very sure when they answered questions. FIA might have cleared the test, but the question is, did they give the explicit permission to run the current car? It boggles my mind if they did. There has been no official statement from FIA.
But there will be.
Juzh wrote:They were surely aware they are running A car, but certainly not THIS year's car.
You think they wouldn't have known? How do you think this matter was raised in the first place? What or who suddenly tipped off Red Bull after qualifying at the next race, or did they know all along and chose to raise the issue now? Which is more likely?
Another thing: how did Kimi managed to sneak into 10th?
"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe."Murray Walker, San Marino 1985