2013 Monaco Grand Prix

[henra]

Looks like it worked.

Let's wait a few races before final judgement on this.
When i look at the average pace I'm not sure a Lotus on Primes couldn't have run signifcantly faster than the 1:21s they were driving almost the entire race.

[myurr]

If it were so clear cut why would Mercedes, who have in house lawyers and people specifically for interpreting the rules, believe it to be legal?

They don't care. They needed that test to work out what the hell to do with their car. Looks like it worked.

So now we're back into mudslinging rather than looking objectively at what actually happened. With something as public as a test like that they wouldn't blatantly and knowingly cheat.

And saying that "it worked" shows little understanding of how the Mercs are using their tyres.

[Overdriving]

Assuming they are in the wrong, what should be the punishment?

I don't know. The problem is, they got the knowledge that can't be just unlearned. If they really were testing the tyres for Canada, they got the unfair advantage over other teams and drivers(remember, Rosberg and Hamilton were the ones doing the testing), having acquired knowledge of the new tyres 4 weeks before other teams. The fair thing to do would be at least to ban Mercs from the next GP.

But then there's the matter of testing in itself, tyres aside. I mean, if testing 1000Km on a development track with Pirelli data is not an advantage, then let every other team do the same for 3 days. Everyone but Mercs.

[turbof1]

Assuming they are in the wrong, what should be the punishment?

I don't know. The problem is, they got the knowledge that can't be just unlearned. If they really were testing the tyres for Canada, they got the unfair advantage over other teams and drivers(remember, Rosberg and Hamilton were the ones doing the testing), having acquired knowledge of the new tyres 4 weeks before other teams. The fair thing to do would be at least to ban Mercs from the next GP.

But then there's the matter of testing in itself, tyres aside. I mean, if testing 1000Km on a development track with Pirelli data is not an advantage, then let every other team do the same for 3 days. Everyone but Mercs.

If what Pirelli stated is true, then the run on the Canada tyres was screwed due bad weather and thus Mercedes doesn't have any advantage out of that one. If it is true of course.

However, if Mercedes is in the wrong, any advantage they got out of the tyres will not be accounted for; only the fact that they have tested.

Nobody that knows what the penalty might be breaching the testing rules?

[myurr]

If what Pirelli stated is true, then the run on the Canada tyres was screwed due bad weather and thus Mercedes doesn't have any advantage out of that one. If it is true of course.

However, if Mercedes is in the wrong, any advantage they got out of the tyres will not be accounted for; only the fact that they have tested.

Nobody that knows what the penalty might be breaching the testing rules?

Well one indicator is whether it's in the sporting regs or the technical regs. If it's in the technical regs then the punishment is disqualification. If it's in the sporting regs then it's up to the stewards to set an appropriate penalty.

[turbof1]

If what Pirelli stated is true, then the run on the Canada tyres was screwed due bad weather and thus Mercedes doesn't have any advantage out of that one. If it is true of course.

However, if Mercedes is in the wrong, any advantage they got out of the tyres will not be accounted for; only the fact that they have tested.

Nobody that knows what the penalty might be breaching the testing rules?

Well one indicator is whether it's in the sporting regs or the technical regs. If it's in the technical regs then the punishment is disqualification. If it's in the sporting regs then it's up to the stewards to set an appropriate penalty.

From what I gathered it is sporting reg. A fine perhaps?

[beelsebob]

If what Pirelli stated is true, then the run on the Canada tyres was screwed due bad weather and thus Mercedes doesn't have any advantage out of that one. If it is true of course.

However, if Mercedes is in the wrong, any advantage they got out of the tyres will not be accounted for; only the fact that they have tested.

Nobody that knows what the penalty might be breaching the testing rules?

Well one indicator is whether it's in the sporting regs or the technical regs. If it's in the technical regs then the punishment is disqualification. If it's in the sporting regs then it's up to the stewards to set an appropriate penalty.

It's in the sporting regulations – section 22. But pirelli claims they have a get out clause allowing them to get a team to test tyres if there is a safety issue.

Given that the FIA okayed the testing, I can't see how Merc will be penalised frankly.

[Maxion]

If what Pirelli stated is true, then the run on the Canada tyres was screwed due bad weather and thus Mercedes doesn't have any advantage out of that one. If it is true of course.

However, if Mercedes is in the wrong, any advantage they got out of the tyres will not be accounted for; only the fact that they have tested.

Nobody that knows what the penalty might be breaching the testing rules?

Well one indicator is whether it's in the sporting regs or the technical regs. If it's in the technical regs then the punishment is disqualification. If it's in the sporting regs then it's up to the stewards to set an appropriate penalty.

It's in the sporting regulations – section 22. But pirelli claims they have a get out clause allowing them to get a team to test tyres if there is a safety issue.

http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ber-49.pdf

No judgement from the stewards...

[myurr]

http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ber-49.pdf

No judgement from the stewards...

So they've just said "It's beyond our pay grade, you guys figure it out..."?

[Juzh]

Pretty much, yeah.

[Overdriving]

It must be pretty serious, then.

[Maxion]

It must be pretty serious, then.

At least it's not 100 % clearly legal...

[beelsebob]

There's certainly nothing in the regs to say what should happen at this point. I suspect it'll all come down to whether the FIA explicitly authorised testing with this year's car. If they did, nothing will come of it. If they did not, or Mercedes can not prove they did, I would expect Merc to get DSQ from the WCC.

[Maxion]

There's certainly nothing in the regs to say what should happen at this point. I suspect it'll all come down to whether the FIA explicitly authorised testing with this year's car. If they did, nothing will come of it. If they did not, or Mercedes can not prove they did, I would expect Merc to get DSQ from the WCC.

IF the FIA allowed testing with this years car they would have to explain why, as then every other team could go and test for 1 000 KMs.

There's no precedent to a punishment and since this is breaking the sporting regulations any punishment would be up to the FIA sporting council.

It'll be really interesting to see what they do. Maybe fine Mercedes XXXX EUR and let the other teams test for a thousand KM if they so choose?

[Overdriving]

It must be pretty serious, then.

At least it's 100 % clearly legal...

To me, it means the opposite. The stewards say that FIA may bring the matter before the International Tribunal. Something 100% legal? Clearly not.