2013 Monaco Grand Prix

[munudeges]

Yer. All Perez was doing was completely outbraking himself to dive down there to force his opponents to cut the chicane. He wasn't performing any overtaking manoeuvre at all. As Raikkonen said, he knew he was never going to make the corner.

He didn't have to "just let him past", what he did have to do though was leave enough space for Perez to be along side once he was along side, and not cause a collision by ramming Perez into the wall.

As opposed to Perez completely outbraking himself, knowing he's not going to make the corner and ramming into the back of Raikkonen? At no point was Perez ever alongside and under no circumstances was Raikkonen or anyone else obligated to let him do so. I am lost at the idiocy of this post, but considering the forum, not surprised.

[Juzh]

Yer. All Perez was doing was completely outbraking himself to dive down there to force his opponents to cut the chicane. He wasn't performing any overtaking manoeuvre at all. As Raikkonen said, he knew he was never going to make the corner.

As opposed to Perez completely outbraking himself, knowing he's not going to make the corner and ramming into the back of Raikkonen? At no point was Perez ever alongside and under no circumstances was Raikkonen or anyone else obligated to let him do so. I am lost at the idiocy of this post, but considering the forum, not surprised.

beelsebob and some other are always right on this forum, didn't you know that? Just as he was 100% sure it'll be a standing start today after a red flag and then denying a SC restart back in 2011

[zeph]

I can't understand how anybody can not hold Perez responsible for today's shenanigans.

He was out of control, seemed desperate and his DNF was a long time in the making.

[beelsebob]

Yer. All Perez was doing was completely outbraking himself to dive down there to force his opponents to cut the chicane. He wasn't performing any overtaking manoeuvre at all. As Raikkonen said, he knew he was never going to make the corner.

If that's the case, what Raikonnen should have done is avoided the collision, then radioed the pits saying "he forced me off the track, he didn't leave me space, he needs to be punished", not punted him into the wall. Perez managed to slow it down in time against Button, and was borderline against Alonso, Only Kimi simply made the assumption that he couldn't slow it down in time, and punted him into a barrier.

As opposed to Perez completely outbraking himself, knowing he's not going to make the corner and ramming into the back of Raikkonen?

He didn't ram into the back of Raikonnen, he hit the wall first, and then raikonnen's rear wheel hit checo's front.

At no point was Perez ever alongside and under no circumstances was Raikkonen or anyone else obligated to let him do so. I am lost at the idiocy of this post, but considering the forum, not surprised.

I'll requote the rule for the avoidance of doubt...

For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

It is impossible for a car to be punted into the wall, and not be along side.

[turbof1]

It's too much borderline to give the fault to Kimi. Right when Checo dived in the hole, Kimi was closing it. At that point he was with no part of the car alongside, but right before the collision, he was alongside. You simply cannot make rules for such occasions, you simply cannot. Nobody can react that fast.

Racing incident. Checo went for a hole as any good driver would, and Raikkonen closed it, as any good driver would.

[beelsebob]

It's too much borderline to give the fault to Kimi. Right when Checo dived in the hole, Kimi was closing it. At that point he was with no part of the car alongside, but right before the collision, he was alongside. You simply cannot make rules for such occasions, you simply cannot. Nobody can react that fast.

Racing incident. Checo went for a hole as any good driver would, and Raikkonen closed it, as any good driver would.

I can buy "racing incident" for sure – I can't buy "all checo's fault" like most people seem to be pinning it.

The bottom line is that Kimi moved across significantly before he normally would have, that means it was his defensive move, and he had to leave a gap for the car which very much was along side him.

[andartop]

I didn't say anything about the rules. Apparently, rules in F1 are interpreted at will by the FIA and stewards anyway. Problem is, the defending driver was forced to take a huge risk even if they did leave enough room. Nothing in the rules about compensating a driver who got rammed off the track by a kamikaze Perez while trying to obey the rules, is there? I am not saying Perez should be punished or anything, just saying someone had to do what Kimi did.

[beelsebob]

I didn't say anything about the rules. Apparently, rules in F1 are interpreted at will by the FIA and stewards anyway. Problem is, the defending driver was forced to take a huge risk even if they did leave enough room. Nothing in the rules about compensating a driver who got rammed off the track by a kamikaze Perez while trying to obey the rules, is there? I am not saying Perez should be punished or anything, just saying someone had to do what Kimi did.

If Kimi was so sure that Perez would not make the corner then he could safely just hang out on the outside until Perez overshot, and then turn in as normal. Perez wouldn't make the chicaine and would have to give the place back.

The reason that Kimi was defending is because he wasn't sure that Perez had outbraked himself.

[Overdriving]

Ouch.

[zeph]

@bob:

It's Raikkonen, double k, one n.

Not Raikonnen.

Just sayin'....

[beelsebob]

Ouch.

Ouch indeed! Looks like Merc is up --- creek minus a paddle.

[beelsebob]

@bob:

It's Raikkonen, double k, one n.

Not Raikonnen.

Just sayin'....

Thanks, I always get that backwards.

[zeph]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLNog5yCIAA70BB.jpg

Ouch.

Indeed. Ouch.

[radosav]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLNog5yCIAA70BB.jpg

Ouch.

I could wrote this too, where is official FIA confirmation?

[munudeges]

If that's the case, what Raikonnen should have done is avoided the collision, then radioed the pits saying "he forced me off the track, he didn't leave me space, he needs to be punished", not punted him into the wall. Perez managed to slow it down in time against Button, and was borderline against Alonso, Only Kimi simply made the assumption that he couldn't slow it down in time, and punted him into a barrier.

Utter nonsense. Perez was way too far back and Raikkonen had no reason to suspect he was going to be stupid enough to try it from there. Obviously he underestimated Perez's stupidity. I had to laugh at that 'slow it down in time' comment. Obviously you know the truth here but have other prejudices.

He didn't ram into the back of Raikonnen, he hit the wall first, and then raikonnen's rear wheel hit checo's front.

No, he didn't hit the wall first. He outbraked himself into a gap that wasn't there, hit Raikkonen's rear wheel and then hit the wall:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMsmxk9M3Ss

It's as obvious as the day is long there is no room there long before he gets anywhere near Raikkonen's car. Here is exactly how to judge whether this move can come off from 3:10 onwards:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nOmozDspnQ#t=03m10s

No problem.

I'll requote the rule for the avoidance of doubt...

1. Perez was never alongside Raikkonen's rear wheel as Raikkonen turns into the corner.
2. You can't simply outbrake yourself, not make the corner and claim you're alongside.

Every single competent driver on the grid has a problem with Perez now and Alonso's feelings are pretty clear. Anyone who doesn't see that is, frankly, a bit of an idiot.