2013 Monaco Grand Prix

[turbof1]

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Ouch.

It is kinda vague. It is stated "a car", not a specific car. Furthermore, all teams must be offered the same oppertunity. Euhm? When? The same time as one team is offered one, or perhaps at a later time?

Or how about the lack of "further information". Clearly the FIA was informed about the intention; maybe Mercedes and Pirelli just assumed no further info was needed to be given?

This looks like a poltical sh*tstorm in which all parties will throw with juridic mud at eachother about the meaning of words and sentences .

[Overdriving]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLNog5yCIAA70BB.jpg

Ouch.

I could wrote this too, where is official FIA confirmation?

Source: adamcooperf1 Adam Cooper 15 min
#F1 Here's the note from the FIA that in effect confirms that Mercedes - and maybe Pirelli - are in the s**t:
https://twitter.com/adamcooperf1/status ... 08/photo/1

[andartop]

If Kimi was so sure that Perez would not make the corner then he could safely just hang out on the outside until Perez overshot, and then turn in as normal. Perez wouldn't make the chicaine and would have to give the place back.

The reason that Kimi was defending is because he wasn't sure that Perez had outbraked himself.

Maybe he could hang out in a pub and have a drink and a fag, but he chose to race instead. The way Perez was "overtaking" today was good enough for Playstation, not for the F1 I enjoy watching. In my opinion Kimi did a much better job today to protect his WDC chances than Alonso. Alonso played it safe and now every time Perez is behind him he will try to capitalize on Alonso's weak spot, which is "every single point matters". But I bet you he will think twice before diving on the inside of Kimi's car next time around.

[munudeges]

Source: adamcooperf1 Adam Cooper 15 min
#F1 Here's the note from the FIA that in effect confirms that Mercedes - and maybe Pirelli - are in the s**t:
https://twitter.com/adamcooperf1/status ... 08/photo/1

Well, yer. If this was a 2012 or 2011 car they'd tested with, no problem. Everyone knows that's the only testing you can do. This seems to have been some sort of private agreement between Pirelli and Mercedes.

[beelsebob]

If that's the case, what Raikonnen should have done is avoided the collision, then radioed the pits saying "he forced me off the track, he didn't leave me space, he needs to be punished", not punted him into the wall. Perez managed to slow it down in time against Button, and was borderline against Alonso, Only Kimi simply made the assumption that he couldn't slow it down in time, and punted him into a barrier.

Utter nonsense. Perez was way too far back and Raikkonen had no reason to suspect he was going to be stupid enough to try it from there. Obviously he underestimated Perez's stupidity.

Again, if Kimi didn't suspect anything, he wouldn't have turned in early.

No, he didn't hit the wall first. He outbraked himself into a gap that wasn't there, hit Raikkonen's rear wheel and then hit the wall:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMsmxk9M3Ss

You're right, it was kimi first, but he certainly did not, as you asserted, hit the back of kimi – it was tyre side wall to tyre side wall contact.

I'll requote the rule for the avoidance of doubt...

1. Perez was never alongside Raikkonen's rear wheel as Raikkonen turns into the corner.[/quote]
Again, Kimi did not turn in to the corner – Kimi turned to defend. He turned significantly earlier than he had done on any other lap.

[radosav]

to me it looks like Bernie's clever plan to solve tyre problems for some teams. next step is to allow all other teams to have 1000 km tyre test , as ''punishment'' to Mercedes, in which Red Bull and others will solve their tyre issues

[radosav]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLNog5yCIAA70BB.jpg

Ouch.

I could wrote this too, where is official FIA confirmation?

Source: adamcooperf1 Adam Cooper 15 min
#F1 Here's the note from the FIA that in effect confirms that Mercedes - and maybe Pirelli - are in the s**t:
https://twitter.com/adamcooperf1/status ... 08/photo/1

OK!

[turbof1]

If it is true that Mercedes is only allowed to provide cars and drivers, then Mercedes normally should not have gotten an advantage. Telemetry is in that case only available for Pirelli. And the car should be assisted by a Pirelli-only team.

[andartop]

Just a quick question: if they are going 4-5 sec per lap slower to preserve their tires, and Vettel can do a such a quick lap right at the end of the race, what was he preserving his tires for? The next race?


(just kidding)

[pocketmoon]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLNog5yCIAA70BB.jpg

Ouch.

I don't see an ouch. FIA say yes to using 2013 car provided;

a) Pirelli ran the test.
b) All teams give equal opportunity to take part.

If the testing was organised and directed by Pirelli following a Pirelly test schedule then no problem with a.
If Pirelli said in "Who want to help us after Barcelona" and only Mercedes said yes then no problem with b.

I guess we shall have to wait and see!

Rob

[andartop]

If it is true that Mercedes is only allowed to provide cars and drivers, then Mercedes normally should not have gotten an advantage. Telemetry is in that case only available for Pirelli. And the car should be assisted by a Pirelli-only team.

I thought Pirelli had a test driver of their own. Why not just lend them a car then and let them do whatever they want with it? Better still, Pirelli should have enough money to buy a Formula 1 car if they wanted, though, obviously, not 2013-spec. I am sure they could claim tax on it as well.

[zeph]

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 14604.html

Mercedes became the subject of controversy in the Monaco paddock on Sunday morning after it emerged they conducted a 1000-kilometre tyre test with Pirelli in Barcelona in the week following the Spanish Grand Prix. Red Bull and Ferrari have lodged a protest with the stewards over the issue.

In-season testing is banned under the Formula One regulations, but Pirelli say their contract with the FIA as the sport's official tyre supplier allows them to call on teams to assist with such tests. A similar session is understood to have taken place with another team earlier in the season.

Mercedes say they had the permission of the FIA to participate. It is understood that their 2013 car was used and that the bulk of Pirelli's work focused on 2014 tyre development rather than on the Italian company's 2013 rubber, the specification of which is expected to be altered slightly in time for next month's Canadian Grand Prix following concerns over recent failures.

However, Red Bull are unhappy with what they say is a lack of transparency over the test, which some feel could lend Mercedes an unfair advantage, given the particular problems the team have been having with managing tyre wear this season.

"What's disappointing is it has been done in not a transparent manner that a three-day test has taken place with a current car running on tyres that are going to be used at the next Grand Prix," Red Bull team principal Christian Horner was quoted as saying by Reuters. "Irrespective of what you call it, that's testing."

The protest lodged by Red Bull and Ferrari questions whether Mercedes have infringed the regulations on testing with the three-day session on May 15-17. Representatives of all three teams and Pirelli have been called to appear before the Monaco stewards after Sunday's race.

That sounds plausible enough. Could it be blowing smoke? And what other team?

[muhammadtalha-13]

This does not look a big problem to me. Pirelli and Merc' will convince FIA somehow. I mean they are not little kids. They must have thought about it and will surly have some reasons IMO.

[turbof1]

If it is true that Mercedes is only allowed to provide cars and drivers, then Mercedes normally should not have gotten an advantage. Telemetry is in that case only available for Pirelli. And the car should be assisted by a Pirelli-only team.

I thought Pirelli had a test driver of their own. Why not just lend them a car then and let them do whatever they want with it? Better still, Pirelli should have enough money to buy a Formula 1 car if they wanted, though, obviously, not 2013-spec. I am sure they could claim tax on it as well.

read again:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLNog5yCIAA70BB.jpg

"Pirelli and Mercedes-AMG were advised by the FIA that such a development test could be possible if carried out by Pirelli, as opposed to the team that would provide the car and driver."

Regardless whether or not Pirelli wants to use their reserve driver, it is completely allowed to use the team's driver. Certainly not the issue anymore.

The issue at hand is simply communication. Did Pirelli and Mercedes-AMG followed protocol?

[munudeges]

Again, if Kimi didn't suspect anything, he wouldn't have turned in early.

Nonsense. He didn't turn in early, but he was still entitled to do so on account of him being in front long before Perez outbraked himself.

You're right, it was kimi first, but he certainly did not, as you asserted, hit the back of kimi – it was tyre side wall to tyre side wall contact.

Like I said, you can't outbrake yourself into a gap that wasn't there and call it being alongside. That's called hitting someone.

Again, Kimi did not turn in to the corner – Kimi turned to defend. He turned significantly earlier than he had done on any other lap.

Of course he turned into the corner, as he is perfectly entitled to do being the car in front.

Watch the Schumacher/Raikkonen video from last year about judging whether this move was ever there. Schumacher takes about a hundredth of a second to decide. This is open and shut.