2014 Engine yin yang

[Richard]

Lets face it, the entire thread is hearsay and speculation. Hence the title

IMHO the engines will be evenly matched, although one or two may have some advantage in the right circumstances. Also with the technology being new, we'll see teams leap frogging each other as they get to grips with how things work. Then they'll reach a steady state in mid to late 2015 when the pecking order is established with little variation.

Hopefully that covers all bases!

[GitanesBlondes]

One wonders how much of that he picked up from Flavio at Renault.

A little off-topic I know, but I read an interesting piece from Autosport not long ago about how Flav and Renault used to simply let Alonso have a few outbursts, say nothing, let it pass and move on. Unfortunately, teams like McLaren and Ferrari deal with that kind of stuff in rather different ways.

Thanks for that information...definitely makes sense as to why he still does it now. Had he been reprimanded at Renault, he probably would not have continued with the outbursts...or at least they would not have been done publicly. Relative to McLaren/Ferrari, Enstone was always more laid back. Too bad he still hasn't figured it out to date. If he doesn't learn in 2014, then he'll never learn...not that I think he will learn anything then either.

[GitanesBlondes]

Lets face it, the entire thread is hearsay and speculation. Hence the title

IMHO the engines will be evenly matched, although one or two may have some advantage in the right circumstances. Also with the technology being new, we'll see teams leap frogging each other as they get to grips with how things work. Then they'll reach a steady state in mid to late 2015 when the pecking order is established with little variation.

Hopefully that covers all bases!

Even so the speculation and hearsay is fun if you ask me.

I think it's insane that any team will find a large enough loophole that would allow for these outrageous numbers people are throwing about. If we were talking maybe 50HP max being found, that'd be something to pay attention to. Instead 100HP...and some even making the claim of well over 100HP?

[xpensive]

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Neither Mercedes, Red Bull, McLaren or Lotus have the same history and strategy change. The peculiarity of the u-turn is supporting the theory - which by ghe way is not an original WB theory but shared by some senior paddock experts (non German by the way).

Well, I don't know that many senior paddock xperts, german or not, why it's difficult for me to challenge that reference.

But I think McLaren swapping Hamilton for a pay driver this year and Red Bull Racing trading a multiple race-winner as Webber for a not-even-close-to-a-podium driver next year, were both rather radical changes of strategy, don't you agree?

I agree with richard, the ICEs will be clones next year, while I maintain that specialized press journos are technical morons.

[GitanesBlondes]

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Neither Mercedes, Red Bull, McLaren or Lotus have the same history and strategy change. The peculiarity of the u-turn is supporting the theory - which by ghe way is not an original WB theory but shared by some senior paddock experts (non German by the way).

Well, I don't know that many senior paddock xperts, german or not, why it's difficult for me to challenge that reference.

But I think McLaren swapping Hamilton for a pay driver this year and Red Bull Racing trading a multiple race-winner as Webber for a not-even-close-to-a-podium driver next year, were both rather radical changes of strategy, don't you agree?

I agree with richard, the ICEs will be clones next year, while I maintain that specialized press journos are technical morons.

=D>

The specialized press, specializes in writing puff pieces with technical words sprinkled throughout to make it sound as if they've got a monopoly on knowledge. Sounds like some familiar?

[Bredd]

Loved the Helmet Marko comment comment on how many people are working on merc's 2014 engine. Worried much?

[timbo]

while I maintain that specialized press journos are technical morons.

Technically morons?

[skoop]

Bredd can you give me the link to the comment marko made?

edit: thanks bredd

[Bredd]

Bredd can you give me the link to the comment marko made?

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vette ... ing-waves/

[xpensive]

while I maintain that specialized press journos are technical morons.

Technically morons?

Technically speaking and regardless of technicalities, most of them are indeed technical morons.

[skoop]

according to AMuS there were and maybe are issues with fuel flow meassurement. the sensors were during the YDT 1.5% off instead off 0.5%. the article states that becouse of the very limited testing sessions before winter tests maybe mclaren will test them during their pirelli test. you can read the full story here:

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 32974.html

[dren]

Looks like room for xtra fuel xpensive.

[timbo]

according to AMuS there were and maybe are issues with fuel flow meassurement. the sensors were during the YDT 1.5% off instead off 0.5%. the article states that becouse of the very limited testing sessions before winter tests maybe mclaren will test them during their pirelli test. you can read the full story here:

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 32974.html

Wow, who may have thought?

[marcush.]

maybe it´s time to acknowledge for some of our time honoured forum members that x is a very valuable source of information now and again...
To me even those 1.5% uncertainty are close to a miracle if true..Mind you the wording is -Sensor inaccurracy - so this does not even account for other uncertainty factors....the whole thing is developing into a farce ..a formula 1 car at the limit is surely anything but laboratory environment ,quickly changing conditions +debilating vibrations and serious shocks ,quickly changing considerable forces in all directions make life certainly very hard for anyone trying to get reliable reproduceable AND correct measurements.open doors for protests and provisional results ...not with Bernie .

[Tommy Cookers]

as one who predicted this shortfall relative to the claims being made last year .....
it's simplest for me to say at this point that I feel vindicated by events

is the next move the replacement of the UK flowmeter with eg one from elsewhere in Europe ?
by some process that will conveniently give the appearance of eliminating these difficulties ?