Formula Student

[AeroGT3]

Instead of bashing other teams just coz they're better year after year than teams like yours, you might want to do more research on the team and how much they ACTUALLY get funded! Not much!! We all work hard at the most rigorous engineering program in the nation and spend weekends after weekends in the machine shop to make our cars THE best!

It's funny how everytime some "BIG" school takes up on something, other people bash it by having excuses like *Money*, *Resources*....

Yeah, no way money and personnel are factors. Cal Poly Pomona, with under ten people and $800 annually, definitely start on a level footing with Cornell.

Cornell's budget is in the thousands, probably tens of thousands. Some schools are in the hundreds. How many students were on your team? Your sponsors include GM, Lockheed, and dozens of others. And you guys are good. Go figure. Yeah, there are "Toyotas" out there on the grid, but a Minardi or a Super Aguri just isn't going to win.

And Cornell does NOT have the most rigorous Engr. program in the nation. MIT, Caltech, Cal Poly SLO, Stanford, Berkeley, military academies, etc. are considerably more difficult and more prestigious.

Try not to substitute your FSAE team's budget for its standings as a University, okay?

[AeroGT3]

You a freshman, #1?

Cornell in the 06 competition.. as I recall.. arrived late, didn't have their bodywork or presentation posters done, were scrambling to do all that, and then had an engine failure in enduro.

I was pullin for UWA the whole way. Cool guys. Florida as well.

#1 is here to boast about his school. No way Cornell could have had an engine failure, or arrived late without presentation posters . . . they're at the shop "weekend after weekend," "work hard at the most rigorous engineering program in the nation," and their "good engineering + hard work ALWAYS pays off."

No way they could have lost to you guys

[Cornell Racer#1]

Instead of bashing other teams just coz they're better year after year than teams like yours, you might want to do more research on the team and how much they ACTUALLY get funded! Not much!! We all work hard at the most rigorous engineering program in the nation and spend weekends after weekends in the machine shop to make our cars THE best!

It's funny how everytime some "BIG" school takes up on something, other people bash it by having excuses like *Money*, *Resources*....

Yeah, no way money and personnel are factors. Cal Poly Pomona, with under ten people and $800 annually, definitely start on a level footing with Cornell.

Cornell's budget is in the thousands, probably tens of thousands. Some schools are in the hundreds. How many students were on your team? Your sponsors include GM, Lockheed, and dozens of others. And you guys are good. Go figure. Yeah, there are "Toyotas" out there on the grid, but a Minardi or a Super Aguri just isn't going to win.

And Cornell does NOT have the most rigorous Engr. program in the nation. MIT, Caltech, Cal Poly SLO, Stanford, Berkeley, military academies, etc. are considerably more difficult and more prestigious.

Try not to substitute your FSAE team's budget for its standings as a University, okay?

First of all, Cornell IS one of the MOST rigorous schools in the nation. Go and do your research and than talk! I have friends who goto Stanford, MIT, and people who I knew that transfered from Stanford and Berkely!! They're the ones who said that "Cornell might rank lower in "Stupid" US News World Report but the engineering curriculum is MUCH more difficult than Stanford, Berkely"! MIT is about the same as Cornell, in terms of Curriculum.

And as for money and funding, well, you ever think about hundreds of schools who are as big as Cornell but DON'T win or come close to Cornell?!?! It's not big school's fault if your school doesn't have money or support to get more funding! That just means that your school is probably not the best politically I've also taken few summer classes at PSU! Too Easy.... In engineering, Cornell is THE most toughest school among the IVY's!

As for me being on this forum bragging about how good Cornell is, well, I wasn't the one who started it! I just stated the facts and haters started bashing my school in ignorance. I personally don't care because the whole world, including big companies respect Cornell and I don't give a damn what you think!....

[Tom]

For f*** sake. Formula Student is a bit of fun, its not supposed to be taken this serious, its just a plan for universities to give students some experience in a friendly yet competitive formula. Sure there is university pride at stake but thats it, you don't need to be so highly strung about it.

Cornell Racer#1, why the hell do you even care so much, I thought you'd left that uni, and stop all the silly 'world series' crap, its just a name, it doesn't matter where it goes or who you beat as long as your getting racing experience. Hell, you guys are begining to sound like members of my car club with their heads so far up their arses they forgot racing is supposed to be fun.

[AeroGT3]

First of all, Cornell IS one of the MOST rigorous schools in the nation. Go and do your research and than talk! I have friends who goto Stanford, MIT, and people who I knew that transfered from Stanford and Berkely!!

Rubbish. People don't transfer out of Stanford unless they're failing, and if you knew how grades worked at that school, you'd know its almost impossible to fail there.

They're the ones who said that "Cornell might rank lower in "Stupid" US News World Report but the engineering curriculum is MUCH more difficult than Stanford, Berkely"! MIT is about the same as Cornell, in terms of Curriculum.

Whatever it takes to justify your degree.

And as for money and funding, well, you ever think about hundreds of schools who are as big as Cornell but DON'T win or come close to Cornell?!?!

I do. I never said Cornell was the worst, I just am not that impressed at what they do with such large support. I'm seen smaller schools do a lot more given where they started.

Again, I am not discrediting them for their wins. But you came in boasting about 9 wins or whatever. I merely commented, like many others, that I wasn't so impressed given their resources.

Cornell is THE most toughest school among the IVY's!

Clearly not when it comes to grammar . . .

As for me being on this forum bragging about how good Cornell is, well, I wasn't the one who started it!

Really? The first mention of Cornell came as the following, posted by YOU:

"CORNELL FSAE baby!! 9 Times WORLD Champs!!"

That's not needless boasting? Then when someone points out you lost last year, you rebut with

"Cornell Didn't win last time coz there was some judging problems and communication issues about the design of the powertrain....Sad"

Excuses, excuses. More needless boasting. Bla bla bla. Perhaps Cornell's 9 wins only happened because the runners up all had "judging problems and communication issues," eh?

I just stated the facts and haters started bashing my school in ignorance.

You stated that Cornell didn't win because of judging problems. Those aren't facts, those are bullshit excuses. The facts are that your team had an engine failure and arrived late with body panels barely in place. The guy from Colorado stated facts, you simple trolled the thread with posts glorifying the mighty Cornell.

Tom, FSAE is much more serious and competitive than you think. It's not just a "bit of fun." Get involved and you'll see.

[Tom]

I plan to get invloved in Formula Student next year at Uni, but this topic is making me think twice.

[West]

It can be fun... just depends on who you work with, and what you want to achieve.

Although not FSAE I did the Mini Baja... our team sure as hell had a lot of fun. Our goals were basic. First was to do better than 50% of the field, and the second was to beat the sister team. The latter was especially important since our team was the team that sat in the back of the class and slept during lectures, and the other team was the braniac team. Also, last year's car was retarded. We didn't have the budget but we really didn't care.

I think the important thing was that we weren't so hell-bent on winning. However, we wanted to build a car we were proud of, and do everything right - papers, presentation, and race. Our team meetings were just an excuse to go to the bar and get drunk before class. We would occasionally get drunk while building the car (even late night) and some people got high. Our test runs would be to illegally drive the car through Aldrich Park (University of California, Irvine). We would also wake up our professor early in the morning just for the hell of it.

I was the occasional mechanic, just cutting the suspension arms and maybe tightening a few bolts. But I took care of the presentations and documents (quite a sh*tload) because I was inspired by the hours everybody else put in. That and nobody else wanted to do it. There are occasional bad apples that don't show up or do sh*t at all, but instead of b*tching to each other we just did whatever we can to meet deadlines.

In the end, we achieved our goals. The car ended up having its front right suspension break after a 30 foot decent. But we had fun, especially since our sister team lasted for like 10 minutes in a two-hour race. They got stuck in a section that everybody thought was impossible to cross, so they closed it down.

It really depends on the people around you. Just be careful of the guys who say "race teams do this and that" without having actual hands on experience on how sh*t is done; i.e. the armchair racers.

[Cornell Racer#1]

[quote="AeroGT3]
Tom, FSAE is much more serious and competitive than you think. It's not just a "bit of fun." Get involved and you'll see.[/quote]

Whatever, I am not going to argue with some ignorant looser who thinks his small Arsse school is better than an Ivy! It's okay to be jealous, we allow that for people like yourself!

And for your information, I did state we won 9 times but, I didn't state we are "Better" than others until people started harassing me. You assumed! Which shows how much your school has taught you.... I respect all schools no matter how big or small. And I don't give a --- about SATs and ACTs, which don't prove crap. And as I said earlier, I don't need you to tell me how good my school is or not coz I've talked to a lot of people from other Big schools (staff and students) and people from Car industry who don't sponsor Cornell and they ALL have a great respect.

[West]

[quote=Cornell Racer#1]
Whatever, I am not going to argue with some ignorant looser who thinks his small Arsse school is better than an Ivy! It's okay to be jealous, we allow that for people like yourself! [/quote]
I respect all schools no matter how big or small.

You allow us, as small-ass, non-Ivy League school students, from an Ivy League point of view, to be jealous of you; thanks, that's the kinda respect we always wanted. You do realize that AeroGT3 is getting an interview from an F1 team soon, which is pretty significant since there are only about five Americans in F1.

Dedication is a big part of FSAE but so is budget. From what I heard our professor did not let our latest team test the car because he did not want to spend any more time and money on the project. Pretty much all the testing occurred at the competition.

[Tom]

Cornell Racer#1, I usually try and be polite and fair on this forum, so you know I'm not saying half of what I would like to when I tell you to get a life. Does classing a school as 'Ivy league' really make it that much better? I don't know exactly what the Ivy league status is in America, how it came about or why, I don't honestly give a toss, but it seems to me as if, although the education standard and probably budget, is much higher, the general pompus attitude displayed by students and the complete lack of respect they exert makes it a far less desirable place to be.
I hope that if I get into a Formula Student team, I never have to endure someone with your attitude.

[AeroGT3]

Cornell, you are really making a poor example of yourself and your team. I've not once even mentioned my school's team, nor made any personal attacks, nor stooped to such low levels as has yourself.

Regardless of how you chose to packpedal and spin the issue, YOU came in here bragging about Cornell, and YOU made following comments excusing any of your teams losses or mistakes. YOU look like a forum troll looking for an argument and your comments have been in very poor taste. Your activity has been akin to walking into a party and proclaiming your income loudly and proudly.

Whatever, I am not going to argue with some ignorant looser who thinks his small Arsse school is better than an Ivy!

How do you know I don't attend an Ivy league school? How do you know I didn't apply at Cornell and turn it down after being accepted? I'll give you a hint: I applied at several Ivy league schools and chose to stay in California.

Where did I ONCE boast about my school? EVER? Ignorant loser? Perhaps you should tell the F1 team interviewing me that I am a loser, so they don't waste their time?

You are the one obsessed with university pedigree. Your blatant ignorance is what will prevent you from going far. You will always underutilized and under evaluate those who didn't go to top universities. I can name several brilliant Lawrence Livermore scientists, Nasa astronauts, and a chief champ car designers who went to "meager" public universities. I know geniuses who went to Fresno State. So please, spare us the bullshit ignorance and pompous attitude.

It's okay to be jealous, we allow that for people like yourself!

You epitomize the type of person I DON'T want to be. And yeah, if I make it into F1, I'll definitely be jealous that I didn't go to Cornell I really missed out on working with you.

[AeroGT3]

Cornell Racer#1, I usually try and be polite and fair on this forum, so you know I'm not saying half of what I would like to when I tell you to get a life. Does classing a school as 'Ivy league' really make it that much better? I don't know exactly what the Ivy league status is in America, how it came about or why, I don't honestly give a toss, but it seems to me as if, although the education standard and probably budget, is much higher, the general pompus attitude displayed by students and the complete lack of respect they exert makes it a far less desirable place to be.
I hope that if I get into a Formula Student team, I never have to endure someone with your attitude.

I hope this thread hasn't scared you away from FSAE/Formula Student. It really is a blast, and you learn more from it that you do classes (as an undergraduate.) It's a load of fun, but its a lot of hard work and people are naturally very competitive and defensive about all the time and labor they invest.

[Jersey Tom]

You guys are nuts. How do you have time to even post this up? I'm down in the machine and welding shop all friggin day and night!

[miqi23]

I dont understand what is up with these students from Uni's like Cornell or MIT.

Well, I believe in actions and results from an individual and I dont care where he went to. I swear I see more potential in AeroGT3 than this Cornell dude. Just because you went to Cornell does not prove anything. You have to prove it to earn my respect! Some thing more than normal I believe.

Once I worked with this lady from MIT on a project to design a cooling system for a part that was overheating, and to tell you the truth I did not see anything special that she had done to solve that problem, infact we sorted it out here in England and I did not see even one proposal from her at Wilsonville. So Cornell, did MIT made her special.... NO I dont think so.

[Cornell Racer#1]

I dont understand what is up with these students from Uni's like Cornell or MIT.

Well, I believe in actions and results from an individual and I dont care where he went to. I swear I see more potential in AeroGT3 than this Cornell dude. Just because you went to Cornell does not prove anything. You have to prove it to earn my respect! Some thing more than normal I believe.

Once I worked with this lady from MIT on a project to design a cooling system for a part that was overheating, and to tell you the truth I did not see anything special that she had done to solve that problem, infact we sorted it out here in England and I did not see even one proposal from her at Wilsonville. So Cornell, did MIT made her special.... NO I dont think so.

Don't feel like starting this insane arguement again but.....

How can you judge me when you don't even know me? I never said EVERY SINGLE person from top schools are SMART! I've met people who went to top schools and are not that bright! It's just like saying, "Oh, I scored 1500 on my SAT, therefore, I MUST be smarter than someone who got 1300". Frankly, I think that assumption is BS! I had classmates who scored 1600's but, I would run circles around them when it came to hardcore theory in Math, Physics, & Engineering courses.

As I said multiple times, Cornell did win 9 times in FSAE and that's a fact. I also, had a chance at a Forumla 1 racing company after school but, due to personal reasons I didn't want to move to another country so I work at Toyota right now! Frankly, I am not a person who likes to be TOLD what to do and that's what WORK is like everywhere.

For that reason, I probably won't be working for more than few years because I am starting my own business. Not to sound like a brat who brags but, to answer your assumption about judging me, I just wanna say that I started doing my own business worldwide when I was 19 (making more than $50k in 1.5yrs) while I was in school. And I am on a verge to start another one at age of 22! So, don't judge anyone when you DON'T know them well.

So, a final question? Does this make me smarter than you? Answer: I don't know, maybe or maybe not! Depends on what area of expertise you look at! I am naturally good at Entrepneurship, math, & physics. You might be better than me at something else... I don't know. Different people have different expertise so, you can't say Einstein was smarter than Beethoven!