2014 Design

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zioture
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likely monstrous noses f1 2014
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Blackout
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Because the beam wing is gone, maybe teams won't bother design higher and a bit bigger rear cooling outlets? would it be interesting to raise the top rear end of a flat outlet, like some of the ground effect f1 cars, in order to aid the airflow that passes under the RW? what pressure level would the hot air underneath that bodywork have? would that layout generate DF? or help extracting the hot air better ?

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neilbah
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it would only make sense if the sidepod didnt cause airflow restriction surely making the whole top surface a wing, also im thinking you arent allowed other inlet holes in the bodywork there but if you had a slit at the edge (like the teams did on the floor infront of the rear wheel) could you make a wing in the area youve highlighted here further forward than the now excluded area for beam wings using continuous bodywork or maybe abusing the crash structure ruling and extending the structure forwards?. dont shoot me, not totally familiar with the bodywork rules and im just pondering..

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neilbah wrote:it would only make sense if the sidepod didnt cause airflow restriction surely making the whole top surface a wing, also im thinking you arent allowed other inlet holes in the bodywork there but if you had a slit at the edge (like the teams did on the floor infront of the rear wheel) could you make a wing in the area youve highlighted here further forward than the now excluded area for beam wings using continuous bodywork or maybe abusing the crash structure ruling and extending the structure forwards?. dont shoot me, not totally familiar with the bodywork rules and im just pondering..

http://i.imgur.com/sJS00jU.jpg
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Scarbs mentions something similar here:

http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//la ... 1e05c8534a

The part I'm referring to is where he talks about using the full allowable width for sidepods.

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neilbah
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are we looking at a gp2 car there?

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^ yes. and a Moto2 bike..

I like Caterham...
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outer_bongolia
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I might have missed during the 80+ pages of discussion in the previous pages. But is there a way to blow the diffuser with the air coming from the cooling system? There is a huge amount of air that will be needed to cool everything, and that air needs to go out somehow..

Would it be useful to blow the air angling upwards from a flat rectangular outlet above the diffuser?

I don't have the tools to draw the idea (I'm at work), but the exit hole would direct the hot air coming out of the radiator area to somewhere below where the beam wing of 2013 used to be.

This idea of course could create a requirement of a larger air inlet, but if the improvements to the airflow around the diffuser is good enough, it might pay for itself.

And then, there is the problem of it not being not extremely useful at lower speeds, but let's not talk about that yet. :D
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Just a thought. Even being forbidden a movable device to force it, due to the great amount of heat generated by the power unit, wouldn’t it be possible use some of it to “seal” the diffuse, using the 50mm scope to build the exit to hot air and the under pass to clean the air around the lower part of the sidepods to avoid cross flow and the downwash from them and the usual strakes to guide it? Or even one duct to blow near the entrance of the space between the wheel and the diffuser?Image

ebare
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But is there a way to blow the diffuser with the air coming from the cooling system?
Man, you just stole my idea, be ready for the cops. :lol:

thisisatest
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But is there a way to blow the diffuser with the air coming from the cooling system?
what's going to be doing the blowing? the way i see it, the air that was just used to cool stuff inside will be "sucked" out by the outside environment. no energy behind it...

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Force India just surprisede every one showing their 2014 contender today. And new fresh livery.
https://twitter.com/clubforce/status/425915755347972096
22 Jan 2014


Sahara Force India revealed its dynamic new look today, offering fans and media a first impression of how the VJM07 will look when it is officially presented at next week’s Jerez test session.

The new livery brings a fresh trackside image for the team with the introduction of black alongside the traditional colours of saffron, white and green.

“The VJM07 looks stunning and the new livery reflects the way Sahara Force India is evolving,” says Vijay Mallya. “I’ve always believed our cars have been the most eye-catching, but adding black as a main colour gives us a fierce new look.”

Key to the new look is the introduction of several commercial partners. The logo of telecommunications brand, Claro, appears on the engine cover and signals the start of a multi-year deal with the famous Mexican brand. There will be prominent Claro branding on the drivers’ suits and team kit.

The rear wing end plate now includes branding from Roshfrans, the lubricant oils specialists, following last week’s announcement of a multi-year partnership with the team.

The new livery also sees branding from Astana, a foundation that supports sporting initiatives by promoting the capital city of Kazakhstan. The Astana logo is positioned on the side of the VJM07’s nose.

“It’s been a busy winter for us on the technical and commercial front,” explains Vijay. “When I founded the team my first ambition was to launch the first Indian team on the grid, but the next stage in our evolution is to develop a global brand. I think that ambition is reflected in the partners we are working with and our world class driver line-up. It certainly feels as though there is the potential for 2014 to be our strongest season yet.”

As well as new colours, the changes beneath the skin of the VJM07 are even more extensive due to the new technical regulations. “The new rules have presented us with a huge challenge, but I’m very proud of the approach we have taken and the direction of the technical team,” says Vijay. “It will be fascinating to see how different teams have interpreted the rules and at this stage it’s impossible to predict who has done the best job.”

Technical Director, Andrew Green, is quick to emphasise just how different the VJM07 is compared to its predecessor: “Almost every single part is a new design, from the front wing right back to the diffuser. The genetics of the VJM07 still lie in the 2013 car, but we've had to achieve the same results in a slightly different way.”

Andrew says accommodating the power unit was the biggest challenge: “It's been a massive job to accommodate all the changes to the power unit - it's the biggest change I've witnessed in the sport since I started in 1990. Cooling has been the biggest challenge with most of last summer taken up trying to understand the cooling requirements of the power unit, and how best to optimise it in the chassis.”
http://www.forceindiaf1.com/news/detail ... k-for-2014

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It's a blanchimont nose, but very well hidden in the livery. They did a nice job. Double slotted rear wing endplates near the wheel. Interesting.
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Kiril Varbanov
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Be warned though that this is initial design (the nose) and it's likely to change, which is probably true for all cars.

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Blackout
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I'm surprised it has an additional cooling intake above/behind the air-box, like an F138... there is 'no room' for a Gbox or an ERS radiator behind the engine, because of the trubo and the exhaust... :-k