whats wrong with the renault engines?

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Hmm.. KERS problem. The engine load is fluctuating due to the KERS or MGU-H system chipping in and out.
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Reminds me of that La Ferrari test mule video, Renault should have whipped out the espase.

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It's not just cooling though, if it was then the other Renault powered teams would be getting more mileage. Maybe RedBull's problems are worse due to cooling issues, but there is definetly a major flaw about the renault engines in general.

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I want a 'Hitler Renault engines' parody :)
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[same numbers i posted in the testing thread]

Engine____Laps (total) - avg per team/engine
Mercedes__208_(456) - 114
Ferrari_____92_(230) - 115 (not counting marussia, only did a few installation laps on day three)
Renault____43__(81)_ - 27

so the ferrari engines made as many km/day as the merc units ... renault in deep trouble it seems ... RBR had some burn marks/hole in the sidepod near the floor, dunno what elements are positioned there
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autogyro wrote:Renault have managed to extract more power from their engines than the other engine manufacturers for some time.
How did you come up with that?

The only reason they where as good as they where during the v8 era was thanks to the many "reliability" updates the fia let them make. While making the "reliability" updates they managed to bring the max power output up to Ferrari & Mercedes Levels. Renault's real strength, was the fact the engine responded well to a broad range of mappings, again thanks to the "reliability" updates.
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Are you saying that this unreliability is a strategic play to make sure that no-one argues that their "reliability" updates are not needed this time around?

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WillerZ wrote:Are you saying that this unreliability is a strategic play to make sure that no-one argues that their "reliability" updates are not needed this time around?
no.

In fact I think the entire concept of reliability/equalization updates is stupid. The fundamental concept of f1 is that it's a competition, and giving any team/manufacture a chance to make up for their short comings runs counter to this concept.
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Unless you set the rules in such a way that the team that's behind is not allowed to improve and come back. If they wouldn't allow improvements when a frozen engine is clearly behind that supplier would just leave. No point in losing year after year without a chance to do anything about it.

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NTS wrote:Unless you set the rules in such a way that the team that's behind is not allowed to improve and come back. If they wouldn't allow improvements when a frozen engine is clearly behind that supplier would just leave. No point in losing year after year without a chance to do anything about it.
The simplest way to deal with this, is to not have such long rule lock down periods. For example change the engine rules every 2 or 3 years.


lol, I love how I got an up vote and a down vote for telling the truth about Renault!
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Better surely to keep the rules the same and not impose a freeze at all.

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They should just say that each manufacturer is allowed two updates within the first six months after the introduction of a new engine formula. They can do whatever they want in those updates - performance, reliability, whatever - but after that, they're stuck with what they've got.

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Personally, I'd say they should just implement the freeze as specified.

If Renault produced a sucky engine, tough ***.

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dans79 wrote:
autogyro wrote:Renault have managed to extract more power from their engines than the other engine manufacturers for some time.
How did you come up with that?

The only reason they where as good as they where during the v8 era was thanks to the many "reliability" updates the fia let them make. While making the "reliability" updates they managed to bring the max power output up to Ferrari & Mercedes Levels. Renault's real strength, was the fact the engine responded well to a broad range of mappings, again thanks to the "reliability" updates.
Everybody kept updating its engine between 2007 and 2013. Not only Renault. and Renault didnt really focus on power, they focussed on driveabity, consumption, cooling, intelligent mappings and exhaust blowing...
Besides that, the RS26, according to many insiders was one of the two most pwerful v8 in 2006, if not the most powerful when the RPM was unlimited...

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Pup wrote:They should just say that each manufacturer is allowed two updates within the first six months after the introduction of a new engine formula. They can do whatever they want in those updates - performance, reliability, whatever - but after that, they're stuck with what they've got.
The way I understand appendix 4 of the regulations is that each part of the power unit is assigned a number of points
and each year you can change parts for a maximum number of points, the number of points allowed go down each
year gradually freezing more and more