questions relate to the engine

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
walkeriot
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questions relate to the engine

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1. what's the compression ratio (as accurate as possible) that F1 cars have? or where can i find this kind of information (also like bore size or something like that)?

2. F1 cars have hybrid fuel, for sure the recipe is confidential, but wat components that does the fuel contain?

3. Related to the fuel, what is the thermodynamic cycle of the engine? Is it Otto?

Thanks!

manchild
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Welcome to the forum :wink:

1. I'm not sure, such data are secret 14:1 perhaps 15:1

2.
FIA wrote:Formula One cars run on petrol, the specification of which is not that far removed from that used in regular road cars. Indeed, the FIA regulations state that the rules are “intended to ensure the use of fuels which are predominantly composed of compounds normally found in commercial fuels and to prohibit the use of specific power-boosting chemical compounds.”

All fuel must comply with strict requirements and prior to each race the teams must supply the FIA with two separate five-litre samples for analysis and approval. Additional samples can then be taken during the event to ensure that there is no discrepancy between the fuel being used and that previously supplied in the samples.

For more on Formula One fuel, click here.
FIA Regulations in detail
Published with permission from the Federation Internationale de l' Automobile.

ARTICLE 19: FUEL
19.1 Purpose of Article 19:
19.1.1 The purpose of this Article is to ensure that the fuel used in Formula One is petrol as this term is generally understood.
19.1.2 The detailed requirements of this Article are intended to ensure the use of fuels which are predominantly composed of compounds normally found in commercial fuels and to prohibit the use of specific power-boosting chemical compounds. Acceptable compounds and compound classes are defined in 19.2 and 19.4.4. In addition, to cover the presence of low level impurities, the sum of components lying outside the 19.2 and 19.4.4 definitions are limited to 1% max m/m of the total fuel.
19.1.3 Any petrol which appears to have been formulated in order to subvert the purpose of this regulation will be deemed to be outside it.
19.2 Definitions:
Paraffins - straight chain and branched alkanes.
Olefins - straight chain and branched mono-olefins and di-olefins. Monocyclic mono-olefins (with five or more carbon atoms in the ring) with or without paraffinic side chains.
Di-olefins - straight chain or branched or monocyclic or bicyclic or tricyclic hydrocarbons (with five or more carbon atoms in any ring) with or without paraffinic side chains, containing two double bonds per molecule.
Naphthenes - monocyclic alkanes (with five or more carbon atoms in the ring) with or without paraffinic side chains.
Aromatics - monocyclic and bicyclic aromatic rings with or without paraffinic or olefinic side chains and/or fused naphthenic rings. Only one double bond may be present outside the aromatic ring. Fused naphthenic rings must meet the naphthene definition above.
Oxygenates - specified organic compounds containing oxygen.
19.3 Properties: The only fuel permitted is petrol having the following characteristics:
Property Units Min Max Test Method
RON 95.0 102.0 ASTM D 2699-86
MON 85.0 ASTM D 2700-86
Oxygen %m/m 2.7 Elemental Analysis
Nitrogen mg/kg 500 ASTM D 4629
Benzene %v/v 1.0 EN 238
RVP hPa 450 600 ASTM D 323
Lead g/l 0.005 ASTM D 3237
Density at 15°C kg/m³ 720.0 775.0 ASTM D 4052
Oxidation stability minutes 360 ASTM D 525
Existent gum mg/100ml 5.0 EN 26246
Sulphur mg/kg 10 ASTM D 5453
Copper corrosion rating C1 ISO 2160
Electrical Conductivity pS/m 200 ASTM D 2624

Distillation characteristics:
At E70°C %v/v 20.0 48.0 ISO 3405
At E100°C %v/v 46.0 71.0 ISO 3405
At E150°C %v/v 75.0 ISO 3405
Final Boiling Point °C 210 ISO 3405
Residue %v/v 2.0 ISO 3405
The fuel will be accepted or rejected according to ASTM D 3244 with a confidence limit of 95%
19.4 Composition of the fuel:
19.4.1 The composition of the petrol must comply with the detailed below:
Units Min Max Test Method
Aromatics %v/v 35* ASTM D 1319
Olefins %v/v 18* ASTM D 1319
Total di-olefins %m/m 1 GCMS
Total styrene and alkyl derivatives %m/m 1 GCMS
*Values when corrected for fuel oxygenate content.
In addition, the fuel must contain no substance which is capable of exothermic reaction in the absence of external oxygen.
19.4.2 The total of individual hydrocarbon components present at concentrations of less than 5%m/m must be at least 30% m/m of the fuel.
19.4.3 The total concentration of each hydrocarbon group in the total fuel sample (defined by carbon number and hydrocarbon type), must not exceed the limits given in the table below:
% m/m C4 C5 C6 C7 C8 C9+ Non PONA* Unassigned
Paraffins 10 30 25 25 55 20 -
Naphtenes - 5 10 10 10 10 -
Olefins 5 20 20 15 10 10 -
Aromatics - - 1.2 35 35 30 -
Maximum 15 40 45 50 60 45 1 5
* Non PONA are components not meeting definitions in 19.2 and 19.4.4
For the purposes of this table, a gas chromatographic technique must be employed which can classify hydrocarbons in the total fuel sample such that all those identified are allocated to the appropriate cell of the table. Compounds present at concentrations below 0.1% by mass may be deemed unassigned, except that it is the responsibility of the fuel approval laboratory to ensure that components representing at least 95% by mass of the total fuel are assigned. The sum of the non PONA and unassigned hydrocarbons must not exceed 5.0% by mass of the total fuel sample.
19.4.4 The only oxygenates permitted are:
Methanol (MeOH)
Ethanol (EtOH)
Iso-propyl alcohol (IPA)
Iso-butyl alcohol (IBA)
Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (MTBE)
Ethyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (ETBE)
Tertiary Amyl Methyl Ether (TAME)
Di-Isopropyl Ether (DIPE)
n-Propyl alcohol (NPA)
Tertiary Butyl Alcohol (TBA)
n-Butyl Alcohol (NBA)
Secondary Butyl Alcohol (SBA)
19.4.5 Manganese based additives are not permitted
19.5 Air:
Only ambient air may be mixed with the fuel as an oxidant.
19.6 Safety:
19.6.1 All competitors must be in possession of a Material Safety Data Sheet for each type of petrol used. This sheet must be made out in accordance with EC Directive 93/112/EEC and all information contained therein strictly adhered to.
19.7 Fuel approval:
19.7.1 Before any fuel may be used in an Event, two separate five litre samples, in suitable containers, must be submitted to the FIA for analysis and approval. 19.7.2 No fuel may be used in an Event without prior written approval of the FIA.
19.8 Sampling and testing at an Event:
19.8.1 All samples will be taken in accordance with FIA Formula One fuel sampling procedure, a copy of which may be found in the Appendix to these regulations.
19.8.2 Fuel samples taken during an Event will be checked for conformity by using a gas chromatographic technique which will compare the sample taken with an approved fuel. Samples, which differ from the approved fuel in a manner consistent with evaporative loss, will be considered to conform. However, the FIA retains the right to subject the fuel sample to further testing at an FIA approved laboratory.
19.8.3 GC peak areas of the sample will be compared with those obtained from the reference fuel. Increases in any given peak area (relative to its adjacent peak areas) which are greater than 12%, or an absolute amount greater than 0.1% for compounds present at concentrations below 0.8%, will be deemed not to comply.
If a peak is detected in a fuel sample that was absent in the corresponding reference fuel, and its peak area represents more than 0.10% of the summed peak areas of the fuel, the fuel will be deemed not to comply.
3. Yes it is Otto 4 stroke.
Last edited by manchild on 13 Mar 2007, 17:19, edited 1 time in total.

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joseff
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#2 it's been said somewhere that if an F1 car were to pull up to a petrol station and top up with premium unleaded it'll lose not more than 50hp.

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mep
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@3
Do you mean whether it is a equal pressure or
a equal space combustion.

There I am also interrested in.
I would say it's a equal space combustion in F1.

For equal pressure combustion
Does your engine produce max Torquer at exact those
rounds per minute when you have a equal pressure combustion?
And are the engines constructed (bore - lenght of stroke)in a way to have this at exact those tourns you whant your max Torquer?

And what about those smal 2stroke model engines who have glow
ignition, do they have equal pressure combustion like Diesels
because of the way they ignit?

Do you understand what I mean?

walkeriot
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thanks a lot!

To mep (mean effective pressure?? XD),
i dont quite understand... otto cycle is an ideal case, it's very clear shown on p-v and t-s diagram...so, wat does equal pressure / equal space mean?

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Can anyone tell me the approximate pressure and temperature of each stroke? (i really want to know.. i know it's confidential though, but try to make assumption...btw, i heard that the BEMP is close to 14 bar)

Ian P.
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4-Stroke Cycle

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To understand the basic 4-Stroke cycle, just breakit down into the simple steps..... Suck-Squeeze-Bang and Blow.
It is certainly no more complex than that.

HP = (BMEP*Swept volume, in^3, *RPM)/(12*33000)

For a BMEP (brake mean effective pressure) of 115 psi at 19Krpm and 2.4 L you get 795 HP.
Imagine a 600 CC sport bike at the same BMEP and 13K rpm...125 HP.
Sounds reasonable and you get a 2 or 3 year warranty to boot.
Maybe F1 isn't so far removed from the general public.
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