2.4 L v8 90' degree V angle

[hiccup]

Ferrari already have a 3.0l v10 which is 90 degrees V angle.

So , if they just chop off the last cylinder from each bank, and develop a revised crankshaft, surely they would stick with the 90' for a V8 too ?

If they have 1000hp now, then surely they will have at least 800hp.

All they other engine suppliers would have to develop an engine from scratch ?

[Steven]

hehe what are you saying that Ferrari is the only team with a 90° V10?

I think that only Minardi and Renault are driving an engine at the moment that is not a 90° configuration, but a 72°, so from scratch...

[Irvingthien]

What are you talking about???Don't forget the size of the cylinders should be 2.4 litre.The reduction of the number of cylinders and sizes will effect the car quite heavily..and I mean everyone on the grid.V8 is too slow in straight line compared to v10 and V12 produces too much friction on low speed,that's why the best option now is v10.

[hiccup]

What I am saying is

v10 3.0L cylinder = 300ml
v8 2.4L cylinder = 300ml

So almost everything combustion chamber related is the same.

Forced changes would be, crankshaft , cams, plus the obvious external casings.

I only know for sure that Ferrari has 90' V, and Renault changed from wide angle to 72' , so I can't comment on Toyota, Ilmor, Cosworth, BMW, Honda

[Monstrobolaxa]

Hiccup ir right....I I suspect that i order to gain some more power and revs the engine manufacturers will increase the bore and reduce the stroke.....this will also bring the enginge cofg down. The idea is also that teams might try to mantain the engine length.....so the approach would be something like mention at the start of this post.

[Guest]

hiccup a correction... Ferrari's current 053 engine is based on last year's 052 which definitely doesn't exactly have a 90° V-angle. It's angle is reported to be around 93°-97°, but definitely not 90° spot on!!.

[bmcampe]

One problem with shortening up the stroke compared to the stroke they have now, is the piston speeds. If they shorten up the piston stroke the materials would not be able to withstand the increase in the piston velocity, amoung other concerns

[pyry]

why would it cause more friction, a v8 revs a couple thousand less then a ten, and also creates more torque. besides the car manufacturers may be better of with a v8 as it is a much more widely used configuration than a v10, thus benefiting more to the auto industry. also the v8 sound is quite spectacular.

[Guest]

i'm going to quit watching F1 when these new rules come in. Because this is just bull --- it takes formula out of what it really is. quit trying to slow down the cars its --- pointless its not going to make the racing anymore closer then it is its not going to cut the costs its actually going to increase the costs because now they are going to have to develop a new engine. Why can't the FIA just leave something alone. They can't figure out that all they are doing is absolutely nothing

[Monstrobolaxa]

Well...like the guest said the costs will rise due to the development needed for the new engines....but this will be in the short run! In the long run costs will be reduced...without electronics (no development needed in this area), with the single engine per 2 weekends will also reduce the number of engines that have to be made, the limitation in the materials used will drop the price of fabricating some componentes. So in the long run it will drop the costs of building a car.....but it all depends on the teams....if they spend the money in getting more staff the money they spend will be absolutly the same as now.

[Guest]

Firstly I don't beleive the speed of the cars will reduce dramatically! For the time being the teams have learnt over the years to build incredibly efficient chassis, mechanically & aerodynamically.

Secondly the probably return of slicks will not outrightlly help reduce speeds...

Someone pointed out V10 technology is of insignificant use on roadcars, wrong! Its not only the number of pistons that matters but other things like engine management, fuel injection etc in terms of technology transfer.
V10's are used on some vehicle classes such as lorries, trucks, etc...

[Guest]

From a frictonal point of view the losses will be reduced by vertue of the fact that you will have two less cylinders however the piston speeds and acceleration will be vertually identical meaning the revs will stay in 18000 - 19000 region. The biggest change is likly to be the vibrational propertys of the engine.
The level of vibration in a modern racing engine is enormus and many of the parts are "tuned" to survive the verious vibration modes that are thrown at them. This will mean a lot of work for the designers as they will be in unfamiler teritory, the V10's charicteristecs presumably being fairly well known by now. The crank, geardrive and particulally valve train will need some changes to accomodate this.....
This may well extend to the chassis, we have all seen how the "instalation issues" exibited by the MP4-18 and 19 cars have caused McLaren problems some of which is widly belived to be vibration related.
Fron a packaging point of view this will meen new gearboxes, in the case of Ferrari a big rething as they mount there lower rear suspension front mounts from the cylinder heads of the engine.
I am not conviced we will see closer racing, but form a techincal point of view it will be very interesting to see how the engine manufacturs and teams will addapt.....

[Guest]

I wonder why the FIA doesn't introduce the same engine for all. (1 manufacturer like the tyres from 2008)
This will make racing closer, since the teams can't change the design themselves.
And it won't change the sports since the teams never really made the engines themselves anyway (except Ferrari). So the technical fight will be as intense as ever but it will have smaller effects since all teams use the same engine;)

Okay maybe it's to much of a revolution for the FIA

[Steven]

hehe well they are actually doing quite well, except for some things...

I suggested to go to a one-tyre system, and there they are Remember when Michelin joined the competition, laptimes dropped considerably. It is a way to limit the speed, cutting cost and increasing interest for tyre suppliers, and not hinder development for the teams

Second, I talked about a maximum diameter of brake discs, well now they came to an agreement of standard brakes for all. Not really what I meant, but the right direction

I think a limit is ok, but having much car elements the same for all team is probably not good for Formula One

[SKRAT]

Agreed that escalating costs are not good for the sport. Sure infinite spending is exciting from the technical development side, it's just not sustainable.

I really think that development should concentrate to technologies that can (eventually) be incorporated into the cars you and I drive everyday. One example, a clutch pedal is more fun than none, but more and more cars are available with SMG paddle shifters and wouldn't it be great to left foot brake just like schuey (without the heel toe dance)?